Some need to knows before starting to play, and some info
for as long as we are fixing the playoffs to the pages!
As long as we are working/improving on adding the playoffs
to the pages, you will be able to play your 4on4 after
reading the following texts. The standings of the regular
season will get slight changes (we will try to get it as
soon as possible showing on the pages). The most dramatic
changes are in Division 2. DA and MM will get points
deduction for unsportsmanship behavior (only in 4on4). Dogs
will gain WOs from both of these clans. The only other clan
to get WO is QK in division 3, it was given against A2k
& Free. And now to how the standings looks after the
changes and who will play who:
tVS - 3B
]SR[ - Sega
[o] - M.M
Dogs - Hips
QK - A2k
Free - CMT
-1 - Nafi-B
FU - Qns
Straight to finals: Mmm... Gibbz
CN - Skylla
The deadline for the following games is: 25th (04:00 26th to
be exact). Now start scheduling your games ASAP! Now happy
fragging and GL&HF!
(2on2s will be updated tomorrow)
So Krass, you say that you know him and that you've talked
to him and that it's probably c(a)ge, batfink on the qw.nu
forum says that cage=lion... This is so interesting, like a
fucking detective story!
#32008-06-20 14:38 by 1tsinen (62.241.222.XXX)
Remembered right since we played in the same clan at the
time in nqr: extreme schizophrenia - Krass has repetitively
offended and threatened admin. He get's banned from rest of
season. If this continues he'll get a perm ban!
#42008-06-20 14:34 by 1tsinen (62.241.222.XXX)
Sorry Krass if that was untrue but that's what ppl got me to
understand back in the days. Did you btw play in xz some
seasons ago? I might be confusing with somebody else but not
sure. Nothing personal from my side ment.
#52008-06-20 12:52 by IBA (84.57.242.XXX)
and .pt is going to the semifinals !
#62008-06-20 11:14 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)
krass! comment on that "being kicked out from smackdown
admin position and then start to harass ppl on different qw
sites" business? :D
#72008-06-20 00:41 by lib(oh the pretention) (213.100.62.XXX)
10 year old computer games: serious business
marvel u so fly mayb we can hook up sum time holla @ me on
da myface qt peace out <3
#82008-06-20 00:34 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)
wasnt krass removed from an admin post or the likes, and
then he was furious and started spamming places like
challengetv and so on, harassing gaz amongst others :)
there is quite a lot of fun to be seen if you start going
thru the demos comments over there
#92008-06-20 00:15 by Krass (79.77.223.XXX)
The fact that I have been banned from any leagues is news to
me. Would you like to say what ones ?
#102008-06-19 23:11 by 1tsinen (62.241.222.XXX)
We actually do care. But tell us how we could get more info
out of it than other people on the scene? And since nobody
is still 100% sure about this we can't still make any other
kind of decision. Then this is getting besides of the topic,
we could've got Lion removed from Dogs roster etc, but you
wouldn't have still played Dogs. So why are you still
talking about this when you have nothing new to say, and you
even said that there isn't really much the admins could do
to fix it in your opinion.
(The ip logs you mentioned, what kind of use are they if you
can't track down which player it is? Doesn't help with just
knowing the town and that there's 2 players and x amount of
qwplayers that nobody might be aware of)
Jfyi: The reason you might not know who Krass is -> afaik
he has been banned from quite many leagues before so not
everybody knows him (remembers him) :P
#112008-06-19 20:11 by Krass (79.77.223.XXX)
To clear things up. I used to live in hull until about 2
years ago. I was verya ctive and played qw a lot. The only
broadband provider in hull is KAROO. The ONLY other qwer to
my knowledge that lives/plays in hull is cage aka Stu. He
has boted before, so with all the recent bot stuff I am
assuming he is at it again.
#122008-06-19 17:27 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)
also a few times on ffa there has been more then one person
using a bot... which means there is at least another person
#132008-06-19 17:19 by johnie (83.70.171.XXX)
i think its punishment enough that lion has to live in hull!
#142008-06-19 17:06 by marv(crooked) (82.33.87.XXX)
karoo is an isp and hull isnt a town its a large city. soma
cant possibly know how many qw players come from certain
areas. therefore its not facts and the fact he doesnt even
know krass? well that strengthens my point.
he only brought this up as a defence of the boycott when he
was found out. its all speculation and guess work nothing
there are other reasons to want to hide ur ip from the
public especially if all of a sudden ur made up to be this
cheater in qw. lion has experienced a lot of lag and other
strange occurrences which isnt surprising with all these
i think a line needs to be drawn now? end this nonsense the
admins made a decision nothing u can say now will change
#152008-06-19 16:43 by lib (213.100.62.XXX)
look lion, i don't know anything about this whole dogs
boycott thingy, i'm just a spectator here but can you please
say (not for my sake, but for your own if you want to be
exoneradet from the accusations) why you refuse to post here
without a proxy?
because it looks pretty damning, at least from the pov of
someone not involved in this catfight
#162008-06-19 16:07 by lion (212.50.160.XXX)
Tried to ignore this rubbish at first but the relentless
lies are becoming out of hand now. I have never used an
aimbot in my life and never will. I\'ve been playing this
game for many years and never cheated once. ask anybody that
really knows me (not that i have to answer to quake god
soma, but his over active imagination and false clams are
wearing a little thin, not to mention boring). Your probably
not interested in the truth anyway, only in making Dogs look
bad because of some petty grudge. Please can you stop
spreading childish little lies, thanks. Soma i think you
lost the morel high ground when you joined the \"lets
not play dogs\" pact. And btw when Krass is in Hull
only isp he can use is karoo, its impossible for him to be
on Pipex/Tiscali when he\'s in hull like you claim. When
he\'s at his parents he may well be on Pipex/Tiscali. Witch
is very convenient if you ask me. Funny how the aimbot has
apparently stopped when he goes back home to visit his
parents isn\'t it... just shows how little knowledge you
really have Soma. get a life and pick on somebody else you
pathetic Cyber bully. The future of quakeworld is looking
bleak with people like you running nqr.
#172008-06-19 15:45 by fog (213.134.126.XXX)
Hope you don't mind soma:
13:55 <[Soma]> but when i got the IP, i traced the IP
13:56 <[Soma]> with result being "Kingston upon
13:56 <[Soma]> now kingston upon hull is a little town
in northern UK
13:56 <[Soma]> with an exact QW-population of TWO.
13:56 <[Soma]> one of them being lion!
13:57 <[Soma]> the other one being krass (who is on a
different ISP, who i never even heard of until recently,
13:59 <[Soma]> they actually went to school together
so they know each other quite well
13:59 <[Soma]> and then this too:
13:59 <[Soma]> http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=38
13:59 <[Soma]> check what krass says
14:00 <[Soma]> seriously, how much more evidence do
14:00 <[Soma]> lion recently replied to the news
14:00 <[Soma]> USING A FUCKING HTTP PROXY SO YOU CAN'T
SEE HIS IP
IF his facts are true, that there only are 2 people in that
residence playing qw, it's pretty obvious yes, since the one
doing all the stuff apparantly knows the qw-scene pretty
Btw, if you didn't check the link soma talked about its
Krass writing something like: "I know who it is, I told
him to stop".
Btw Marv, I don't think every cheater creates his own
cheatprog, that's prolly pretty easy to find on the
internet, or something that's been around earlier.
#182008-06-19 15:32 by marv(going grey) (82.33.87.XXX)
sigh, walked away from this but u just will not stop!
ip range is not an ip! therefore its not evidence and indeed
as i mentioned before speculation. who are u to say u know
every UK qw player? especially every uk qw player that plays
in an ffa environment, where any noob likes to play the
I already explained lion would not have the
capacity/desire/time to create a bot to ruin everyone’s fun
on an insignificant server. that is why I know u are
wrong/lying and that is why i all but ignored ur so called
wiki? any tom dick or harry has access to! dont even have to
be a quakeworld player. fyi not that it matters lion is
mates with both buffy and tiddles they always hung about
duels/2on2\'s. u know nothing about his history ur just
making it up as u go along. who is ur source? that knows
lion so well?
this is getting beyond ridiculous and i will stick up for
lion against ur ignorance. if lion is banned from the up and
coming nqr which by the comments so far seems to be the
case. then i will not support that i will not be signing
up. like i did for nqr11 knowing ur the dictator big mouth
no life loser running it. why did gaz leave!? such a shame
for the entire qw community, he knew how to run a league and
how to treat all the players even if he didnt like them
personally. GO GAZ
now that we are on the subject of nqr. of course u didnt
mind losing in gold it was ur structure in place to begin
with and u had nothing to lose and extremely low
expectations. u cant go against ur own system! ;x
lastly! lib u tired old man u dont have to read my posts? if
u want to have a go at me do that directly instead of an
entire race? ur pathetic
*head in hands* i wrote an essay :<
#192008-06-19 15:04 by fog (213.134.126.XXX)
Hooraytio, Soma presented some pretty convincing evidence,
so there seem to be no doubt that Lion is the one that has
been doing this. And now knowing the circumstances about the
Wiki-sabotaging, I must say that it's more than lame, it's
crossing the line by VERY far ...
#202008-06-19 14:27 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)
he hardly played any eql or nqr anyway.
this guy, whoever it is, just lamed around on the wiki and
ffa servers as far as i know?
#212008-06-19 14:25 by fog (213.134.126.XXX)
gore: A ban doesn't have to be IP depentent? Just not allow
him to play any NQR (think Soma has made sure of that
though), and EQL-admins making sure he won't play any more
#222008-06-19 14:21 by gore (85.211.243.XXX)
you mean adsl-77-86-120-171.karoo.KCOM.COM ?
they have more than one IP range fyi but whatever.
At least the bot has stopped cheating anyway.
#232008-06-19 14:05 by fog (213.134.126.XXX)
Hahahaha, can't just someone ban this sucker from just
everything we know so we get rid of a mentally ill and
retarded guy.. Plz?
#242008-06-19 13:57 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)
i think someone needs to get a better way to surf and play
#252008-06-19 13:38 by soma (134.130.50.XXX)
Well I'm not claiming that you'd support his behavior and
I'm pretty sure you'd tell him to fuck off if he decided to
use aimbot in an official game (which he most definitely
wouldn't attempt to do either).
But for me that's kinda besides the point.
Neither you, nor the EQL crew were ever interested in any
evidence or IP logs, even after I notified an admin that we
were boycotting DOGS.
The EQL admins didn't care about him fucking up FFA in
Europe for several weeks on end because it was "outside
the scope of EQL" and DOGS didn't bother because I was
supposedly just making wild accusations and have nothing
better to do than invent serious accusations against various
As for lion (aka stu, kid, i8, etc): He's always been on
Karoo. Here's a link of him commenting on an NQR game for
example (I got more links for you if you want, but I don't
wanna fuck up the page again):
As an NQR admin I also have access to the database where the
final component of the IP isn't scrambled with ***.
And I also had a little chat with someone who used to duel
vs him from time to time. That person too claimed that lion
was on Karoo.
Karoo IPs are always identical concerning the IP-range ->
83.100.*.* is always Karoo. The IP recorded by the WIKI/FFA
server is part of this exact IP range and very accurately
leads to where lion resides. And since Krass, the only other
QW player from the same area and has never been on Karoo...
#262008-06-19 12:41 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)
look soma if it is lion i agree with you totally...but i
still dont reckon it is if lion is masking his ip all the
time how do you know what it actually is?
if i knew he was doing it i would NOT be sticking up for him
i assure you.
#272008-06-19 12:27 by soma (134.130.50.XXX)
Zaq: Here's how important it is to me to justify myself to
Batfink & Marvel: No, I checked logs and Krass isn't
actually with Karoo, he uses Pipex/Tiscali. So... let me
just sum it up once more: We're looking for a marginally
active QW player who hates buffy/tiddles/jugs, lives in
lion's area (only 2 QW players there) and is on lion's ISP
(okay we're down to 1 now). Besides, lion made quite a
confession when he decided it was necessary to through the
hassle of using an http proxy to post a comment here. But
sure, it's definitely Krass! zzzzzzz...
You could just be *slightly* more mature about this, make
the wanker apologise to the QW community, remove him from
your squad and still tell me to fuck off because you think
it wasn't reason enough to boycott DOGS. But no, you'd
rather defend him at all costs even though it stopped making
sense like 3 weeks ago and claim that it's all just because
evil soma enjoys spreading "poisonous lies" about
friendly, fun-loving, innocent QW players. Please, that's
quite low even for your standards.
#282008-06-19 11:46 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)
id just like to thank the qw community as a whole for once
again making us 'brits' out to be the lame ones even thought
it was us being boycotted.
#292008-06-19 10:39 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)
who uses u? i dont
#302008-06-19 10:08 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)
well atleast we got a nice new expression when jokkmokk
decided to get kicked from nqr11: zaqrape!
#312008-06-19 08:43 by Zaq (80.216.1.XXX)
once I called soma a "retard", the response from
him was that i was a childish ignorant fool for using such
expressions. I´m not the only one i guess.
#322008-06-19 00:44 by lib (213.100.62.XXX)
UK quakers, fuck yeah!
Haven't had discourse on this level since the days of Sujoy
"Smell my finger that's your girlfriend" Roy
[disclaimer: i know fuck all about this whole dramabomb but
you know it's either brits or znappe when you see people use
"u" instead of you and no punctuation] :)
#332008-06-18 19:23 by Hedgepig (84.203.144.XXX)
I also have it on good authority that several members of the
DOGS team were involved in an attempted coup in Equatorial
#342008-06-18 18:36 by batfink (212.113.205.XXX)
oh and its clear you didnt want to lose to a team you dont
like soma... im sure you have no beef with any clans in your
gold nqr group and thats why you didnt mind losing.
#352008-06-18 18:33 by krass (212.113.205.XXX)
isnt krass on the same isp and in the same area as lion? it
is probably him. lion plays q3 mainly now anyway and if he
was cheating he wouldnt play any games with us as i dont
agree with cheating at all
and soma grow some dicks? maybe you should just chop the one
off your head so you can be like the rest of us.
#362008-06-18 17:47 by 1tsinen (88.195.26.XXX)
A little bit more: and it's not because we haven't tried to
get that info. I did for several weeks and several hours/day
when my connection still worked.
#372008-06-18 17:45 by 1tsinen (88.195.26.XXX)
It's hard to punish a player/team for something that is not
100% sure. Atleast none of the admins has gotten any proof
of that actually is 100% (notice 100) sure that it is him.
And thanks to my isp that has too crowded upstream I haven't
really had a good chance to even get proper info on this, or
share it with the rest of the admins as good as needed. But
I am still behind the decision that there is not really
anything that we've could done, except kick them which would
have made EQL a private league (admins choose who gets to
play league which qw doesn't have afford to do). And just
for your information, I heard nobody else from div2 give the
same reason for not playing them... so that's what I have
been talking about earlier about not beeing even able to
know what has really happened. So as said earlier: We
haven't even got the info to do a decision like your asking
to, since depending on only 1 persons info is imo not enough
(even if the person has been one of the realiable).
#382008-06-18 16:57 by marv(man up) (82.33.87.XXX)
i dont believe in this collective boycott its down to u and
skillah and other half wits spreading poisonous lies about
us turning people/clans against us. funny initially u had
nothing to do with a boycott and now ur trying to stage a
mutiny but where are ur allies?
karoo is an isp not an ip ie a large group not a finger
print. adequate to zero proof and if anything its that krass
idiot. ever heard of misdirection.
i dont follow the bot scene but wouldnt that mean modding a
client? none of us have the capacity or time to do that or
most importantly the motivation.
u broke the rules live with the consequences. i dont even
understand what u are trying to achieve with these posts
#392008-06-18 16:16 by soma (134.130.50.XXX)
: I still don\'t see the big issue here. You put it like
I tried to defy everything you ever did for the QW scene. I
still think that it\'s a bit \"bald\" to sum up an
entire division into 1 sentence and claim that a clan that
already played all their games is still \"in hot
pursuit\" when there are 2 other clans that could have
easily overtaken said clan merely by playing their games and
collecting the activity points. Fair enough, I don\'t mind
admitting that it sounded (too) harsh, but I don\'t see the
necessity for bringing up your \"work for the
rookies\". Sure, you put a ton of (very appreciated)
work into writing predictions for the rookie tier and
actually helped organise the whole thing, making you part of
the handful of people that volunteered to help out NQR and
the QW scene in general. But what does that have to do with
you writing a summary for EQL?!
+: Why is it only a QW scene issue? With the exception
of Oblivion, *all* clans decided not to play versus DOGS,
and I just checked my logs to confirm that I also shared
this with Its1nen (in detail!) on May 27th, so 3 weeks ago.
However, despite the fact that it was collectively decided
to boycott DOGS, you chose to only punish ~da~ and MM for
\"bad sportsmanship\". What the fuck?! And yeah,
nobody came to talk to us after I talked to Its1nen either.
And as mentioned earlier as well, I really don\'t understand
how it didn\'t get you (the EQL staff, not you personally)
thinking that 5 clans, consisting of two dozens of adults,
decide to go to the lengths of boycotting a clan? I don\'t
understand how you as admins can just lean back and say
\"yeah okay he\'s been completely destroying FFA in
Europe for like 2 weeks, but it\'s outside EQL, so...
whatever!\". DOGS weren\'t even forced to remove him
from their squad. Wow, how courageous! And even with this
lion fuck gone, the list of issues with DOGS is long. So
pardon my rant...
Marvel & Batfink: The evidence is as follows: The IP on
the QWwiki and the IP recorded by the FFA server are
identical and lead to a karoo connection (lion\'s ISP) in
the area where lion actually resides, according to the trace
results. Additionally to that, the only two entries the
created wiki account edited without actually sabotaging them
were \"Thundercats\" and \"DOGS\", both
of which lion (aka stu, kid, i8, whatever) actually played
for. The entries that WERE sabotaged were of people/clans
that lion has historically had beef with (tiddles, buffy,
clan jugs, etc). On top of that, lion actually replied to
the news post above and felt it was necessary to use an HTTP
proxy so nobody can see/compare his IP.
And then you worthless cunts have the guts to come here and
claim that people are talking shit and that our accusations
are just \"wild speculations\". How about you guys
grow a dick and finally take some responsibility, rather
than pretending that you\'re saints and
\"outsiders\" who people try to isolate even
though you\'ve never done anything wrong. Isn\'t it getting
a bit pathetic to claim that your unpopularity is merely a
result of evil soma\'s plotted QuakeWorld McCarthyism?
And what\'s up with claiming that ~da~ simply didn\'t wanna
play DOGS because they didn\'t wanna lose?! We just came out
of NQR Gold Cup where we got slapped around by almost every
clan and I don\'t recall us refusing to play any games
there. You have no arguments.
#402008-06-18 16:01 by serox (85.118.17.XXX)
I always thought they didnt want to play us because they
didnt want to lose. They used some minor beef between marv
as an excuse not to play so we could not get to playoffs.
Its game. I dont care about the whine, I just want to
Well done admins.
#412008-06-18 15:34 by marv(sweeping the streets) (82.33.87.XXX)
k pleura i thought u were being democratic and offering soma
a loophole. there is no way forward, sadly there will always
be these grudges and rumours causing conflict between clans.
the community is too small and i am feeling more and more
distant from it, which recently is definitely having an
affect on my clans experience.
i think sq on the other hand has some real lust building up
there will better watch ur back ;x
#422008-06-18 11:06 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)
hehe, that log squeeze posted is relevant in what way?
#432008-06-18 11:00 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)
squeeze why are you bringing my personal life up in a quake
site... how is it to do with quake anyway.. cant believe
you would do such a thing.
also marvel has not bad mouthed either peri or jon to me and
i know himn alot better then you do sq.
and soma you talk crap, we did not refuse to play you at all
you refused to play us after the 2v2 and then your members
were telling ser to quit us and join someone else.
i bet you any money if you thought you coudl beat us (at
4v4) the game would of got played... you just didnt want to
lose to people you dont like.
the lies you come up with about lion cheating on xs4all are
amusing also there is no proof of that just soem wild
accusations that were made on a forum by krass who used to
go to school with lion... if anyone is the bot its most
likely to be krass from what i heard
eql did the right thing, dogs did not refuse to play any
clan... and the boycot was not 'public' as you are now
saying, you are just trying to get people on your side.
i wanted to be put in division 1 as i knew we would have no
problems there, at least in that division people get on with
it and dont let their egos grow bigger then their skill
#442008-06-18 09:20 by pleuraXeraphim (78.16.129.XXX)
With all due respect marv.
I dont care about this argument. Re-read my post. Its
outside the scope of the league. So its up to you all to
sort it out for yourselves. Nothing to do with me.
#452008-06-18 08:29 by uiG (217.68.163.XXX)
1tS g3tTiNg h0T iN h3rE !!
#462008-06-18 03:02 by squeeze (69.217.73.XXX)
so what about u telling me that bat cheated on his
girlfriend bex (becca)
you're so full of shit man......
#472008-06-18 02:59 by marv (showered with gifts) (82.33.87.XXX)
a public attack isnt doing yourself or ur clan any
there was nothing to argue about ur 'sayings' didnt make any
sense to form a reasonable argument. therefore i tried as
polite as possible to just ignore/humour u.
remarkably the level of this conversation dropped a few
notches SUPER STAR
#482008-06-18 02:52 by squeeze (69.217.73.XXX)
u couldnt say much more but way to phrase it to make it seem
like you're innocent. you're always the one who loves to
argue but u couldnt come up with anything against my sayings
so I LOVE U
you told me about a year ago that you were going to kill
yourself, please do it you fucking titty sucker. keep on
milking the parents.
#492008-06-18 02:44 by marv (detective dog) (82.33.87.XXX)
excuse me sq but why make that public and the entire
conversation is me ignoring ur rant?
lol truly pathetic, u have some serious issues.
getting more amusing by the second maybe ill stay up a
little longer ;.
#502008-06-18 02:39 by marv(ONE EYE OPEN) (82.33.87.XXX)
those links have caused a bug in the code.
with all due respect pleura as u stated somewhere in ur post
these decisions are not based on opinions but facts.
starting up some public blog is nonsense and a
contradiction. bottom line is this is an admins decision
not a public opinion.
i dont pretend for one minute that the general qw community
would side with us (dogs) over mm and da(soma) reality is
they have many more followers;x we are outsiders they are
inner circle that will never change.
we didnt break any rules *NONE* they did its really that
simple. why are u now dressing it up/stirring it up?
dont get cold feet now because some celebrity big mouth
starts whining. if the winner of this argument was based on
popularity then YES im the first to admit we wouldnt stand a
chance. thankfully it is not and u made the right decision.
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