We didn't give you much slack in this one did we? :S

GL in future games!

looks like fun and tight games, fun is good and great and so much fun!

we almost made our goals, wich were 50 frags in dm2 and 100 frags in e1m2 :D sadly we got only 91 in e1m2 :( otherwise would've been a gg ;)

I hope all of you who have been constantly whining and moaning that blt should be in division 1 in past two seasons are proud what they have accomplished :)

Not to reignite a flame that has vanished, but I don't think anyone had in mind 5 tip top teams and blt. In the end it was your decision and this is what you chose...

I think Cara is spot on there. Those who said BLT should be in div1 have also mentioned sd2, fu, csn etc etc. They wanted a large div1.

atleast there's no kurwas in div1! :D

It might be worth mentioning that BLT was put under significant amount of pressure from different parties (or so I heard) which led to them making this decision (voluntarily?).
Having said this, I still think it doesn't make it more effective to add extra div2 teams to this rapefest.
Competing in a tournament where the first 4-5 spots and probably the entire playoffs are guaranteed to be out of your reach is simply a motivation killer and disband risk (at least for me anyway) and we've seen this happen in past eql.

So why might as well remove the bottom 6 teams from div2 as well because they dont stand a chance either.

What a bullshit reason.

What springs said about us is the true.We were ready to start this season in division2 once again but then whine started again.Lets think how much whine there would be if we would be in division2 in this season and somehow would win it 3 times in a row.Stealing the glory for the other teams.We started rethink and made decision to play in division1 this season.There was only 2 choice in our minds skip this season or play in division1 and we were not ready to retire yet.It not has been that much fun in division1 but i guess we can handle it.I now know what truly means "if you cant handle the whine dont play". :)

Cara is 100% correct. Hopefully we can get some pracs vs tks and c88. Although it has been great to experience the best opponents, the skill level is fuucking high. Fom cracked me up on dm3 by getting everything during the first 2 mins. Dm2 feels outright impossible and only progress feels to be individual skill level not so much tp. E1m2 feels more playable and we could attain some progress by a few tweaks, four rls in a losing situation is just pzz zz lol.

Hehe jj, BLT had like 4 rls on e1m2 for a while, but all died within a minute there. It was pretty fun spectating because you could really notice the important difference between the teams; The nmy was just so much faster (not saying blt was slow), but it kind of shows more of the real difference (imo) between div1 and div2; It's brutally fast! No matter if the enemy aims worse, you will get raped if you don't react fast in all situations.

In div2 you don't suffer from your slow decisions or mistakes as you do in div1. I'm hoping that your season in div1 will bring some insight into that, instead of thinking that the keypoint is that you have worse teamplay or worse aim, because I don't think thats always the case.

In a way I'm also glad there is a lot of "div1-players" in div2, hopefully raising the skill a bit there and also raising the pace a bit from previous snail boat!

Yeah Mur I can see what fun BLT has by playing a game where it ends 50-500 and they just end up spawning into rockets and pines for 18 minutes straight. I know there will always be lower skilled teams in a div, but you (and Para) are retarded if you think this has ANY point to it except some rapefun for the div0 teams.

#13 speaking as a mid/low div1 player who just joined div2 to do what exactly? :)

It is the same problem in all 3 divs. Lowest clans will lose big time.

Not trying to sound like an prick, but basically what dimman states is my perspective on this whole issue as well. a "high div2" or even "low div1ish" clan against a solid div0 clan has no benefit for either teams. And it's not even fun to spec. I watched the first map of this match and just disconnected to find something else to do.
And once again a reminder that BLT won last EQL with 3-2 and 1 frag difference on last map (Yes I know starplayer Scenic in opposite team, but still).

#14
Yes I would even agree with you that I am low-div1 (in the range of players like in BLT), but that still doesn't change the fact that I have nothing to gain by playing against a team like fOm or SR with 3 other players of my own skill level (Tossers in this case).

A thing to remember though is I think that even though there is rape-scores like 400-80, it doesn't necessarly have to mean the loosing team is THAT much worse.

Everyone have been playing this for so long and to be honest when I spec div2/low div1 players you can't see much difference in movement and aim etc..

Mostly it's just the routine aspect and small stuff here and there that separates the div0.

But QW is such a game where those small stuff can mean the difference between a total rape and somewhat of a close game.

Even if one team is really close of breaking the control of the other team, lets say some of their RL's survive with 1hp a couple of times here and there. But if they don't die they will keep having control and there will be rape-scores.

But then if that team just get slightly better they can kill those RL's and it won't be rape anymore.

ofcourse it's just a small example, and alot of areas have to be improved generally, Im just saying I dont think it's that big of a leap in skill as scores sometimes show.

You're getting towards my point, I think the major difference is the quickness, which on the other hand also is a skill, a really hard one. Atleast I'm hoping more people will be focusing on it after this.

Last post was from me to razor :D

Right back at you JJ, I think you've got it pretty good. Personal skill level is a term containing many smaller pieces, aim and movement are two important aspects. But as dimman touched on, getting accustomed to the speed to be able to make the fast decisions is probably the thing that will take you the rest of the way.

Aim and movement can be practised by each player alone making it the individuals responsibility. I think your teamplay is good, and with alot of pracs against SD/C88/TKS and reviewing demos together, I think it can become great. The praccing will also help you get used to the speed aswell as some confidence in this "elite" div1. Obviously this is a time consuming process, but I guess nobody thinks Milton became good by simply opening ezquake.

As soon as you start seeing improvement; that's the best reward and the reason div1 exists.