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| Division 3 | Osams vs Suckballs | 3 - 0
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| Playoffs - Division 3 | Aut Vincere Aut Mori vs Paras | 0 - 3
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| Playoffs - Division 2 | Suddendeath 2 vs fraggers united | 3 - 1
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| Playoffs - Division 3 | Osams vs oddballs | 3 - 1
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| Playoffs - Division 3 | Aut Vincere Aut Mori vs Bind w + forward | 1 - 0
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| Playoffs - Division 1 | crazy 88 vs Suddendeath | 0 - 3
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| Playoffs - Division 2 | OClan vs Immortals | 3 - 0
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| Playoffs - Division 1 | Slackers vs Fragomatic | 0 - 3
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| Playoffs - Division 3 | Suckballs vs OldOnes | 1 - 0
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| Playoffs - Division 2 | Immortals vs Suddendeath 2 | 3 - 1
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Efficiency awards goes to [-6-]6. sQueeze for 70.5 effi RL Killer awards goes to [-6-]6. vegeta for 14 killed RLs Frag Streak awards goes to [-6-]6. vegeta for 37 frags in one streak Quadrunner awards goes to [-6-]6. votary for 11 frags in one Quadrun Boomsticker awards goes to [-6-]6. votary for 49 shotgun percentage Aimer awards goes to [-6-]6. adde for 32 direct rocket hits Annihilator awards goes to [-6-]6. votary for 15104 given damage View detailed map statistics | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Efficiency awards goes to [-6-]6. sQueeze for 60 effi RL Killer awards goes to [ im ]heddan for 7 killed RLs Frag Streak awards goes to [ im ]phren for 36 frags in one streak Quadrunner awards goes to [-6-]6. votary for 8 frags in one Quadrun Boomsticker awards goes to [-6-]6. votary for 47.8 shotgun percentage Aimer awards goes to [ im ]phren for 20 direct rocket hits Annihilator awards goes to [ im ]phren for 10490 given damage View detailed map statistics | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
.: Comments
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Nicely done by Immortals to get the 2nd place this season, I didnt expect that after our easy 2-0 win in the groupgame.
Cya next season!
Well played and GL in the future!
I have to agree abit with heddan, the server really lagged, felt like 90ping.. i know its the same for everyone, squeeze & ovr had a slight advantage with beeing used to it. Not saying it costed our loss tho.
Imo, let the Us players play, but change minping for us Eu to max 39ms, especially during playoffs.
Well played guys.
GGs Oclan!
Well deserved div2 win, considering you guys were a one-map wonder when starting the season (hello dm3!)
You've learned to play dm2 very well and also e1m2.
I personally thought we would have the best chance on stealing dm2, but as it turns out.. We didn't.
DM2 - Claustrophobopolis
Chosen: 214 OClan: 210
;D
(btw, image code: qlchf. Does this mean that ppl should "Quit Low Carb High Fat" diet? :D)
Really well deserved win, and clearly the strongest team in Div2 this season. I think even blt would have struggled alot with this team.
Congrats guys! And just ignore that ping whine. Last thing this scene needs is even more exclusiveness. Guys who don't appreciate the added activity you bring into the scene, are too narrow minded or sore losers to look further than even one inch in front of their own nose.
cause they where hotter.
Just that playing vs US players makes Eu people ping up to 51 (not used to) or higher doesn't feel right. I bet 100% for sure, if slackers had one with 80 ping lagging that you Rikoll, would ping up to 80 in a final just to 'even' it out. Wouldnt happend in a lifetime.
This is not a fight, nor this is your fight Rikoll.
note. THEY WERE BETTER AND GG.
I'm not taking the piss they deserved to win and they have practiced the most. But i kinda question the judgement of the admins on this one.
I hope Oclan makes the step up to div1, the tp is there atleast.
We are just pointing out the fact that a clan that played with a ping of 50-110 the whole season has an advantage towards a clan that is used to 12 ping and suddenly gets 5-8 times that ping in a final.
The reason for pointing this out is just to raise the question on how to look at the ping rules in the future.
EQL is an European league and should be played on servers where europeans feel confortable. And if US wants to participate, it should be on a best effort basis.
in my time, used to be the guy with high ping complaining about the guy with low ping
now it's the opposite
One example is they have a player on ping lower than ~51. Since their average is higher no one complains, but according to rules he should ping up to the lowest ping of the opponent side (51 in this case, on dm2 atleast).
But in some matches, mainly this: http://eql.quakeworld.nu/eql14/matches/92#Played you can see the rules are pretty flawed, having one guy ping 25 vs the opponents 51 ms is pretty unfair.
No disrespect to oclan though, best clan in div2 by far.
Wasn't it you Rikoll that refused to pingup vs tvs last or season before that, even when admin said that you would have to?
And now that you are saying that pinging up is something that should not be whined about. Doesn't make that much sense to me :)
It's same in qw when better equipment, connection, or higher skill level is something that has to be done about, so the less fortunate can compete in same level. In other words this is called dragging down the rest so the worst won't feel as bad.
This has nothing to do with being fair, and saying that you should have to prac with higher ping just because someone is from US and wants to compete in europe is total bullshit.
having 5-7 ppl playing with 13-39 higher ping just because 1-3 can get 100 instead of 120 is pretty bad.
server should be picked where the majority of the players have 13-39, if there's 1-2 ppl with 50+ then whatever. Like finding a server with the lowest overall ping. If that means 6 ppl with 13ms and 2 with 90ms then so be it! instead of 8 with 50ms.
I think it's cool that we got some Americans in the scene but for the people who think it's ridicilous to whine about 51 when others play with 100, you have to understand that most of us have been playing with 13-26 for 10+ years.
Like, for Zero it's no problem to play with 50-70ms because he's done that like 90% of his total gametime. But for someone else not used to that ping it will brutally suck.
Maybe this discussion should be taken @ qw.nu.
/end rant!
You people sound like dag now that always refused to go over 26 ms... it's redicilous.
the last map could have been played with everyone having 13-39ms, except for squeeze who would have had higher.
lowest overall ping with all 8 combined imho
having 1 player with 100ms shouldnt = everyone gets to ping up
I guess if I play like that for a week or two I would improve but I don't see the point in doing that just for one game. :)
But ONCE AGAIN! Oclan were so tight and only map we stood a chance was E1M2 where we made some stupid misstakes which turned the game to their favour. (My quad GL on phrenic with YA/RL) ;)
Actually I think the rules have changed in that regard, there is no longer a requirement that you have to ping up to the lowest ping of the opposing team. All that matters is that both teams have the same sum of pings (with a cap of 38/51ms depending on whether americans are involved).
So for example, 26+52+90+116 is considered equal to 39+39+52+52. There is no requirement for the player with 26 to ping up to 39. So in the first map, Adde didn't need to ping up, he could have kept his 26ms.
FIY: OClã is a brazilian team founded by me in 2001 (QW, Q3, CS, TF2 and Warsow). Vegeta and Overflow are brazilians who lives in USA nowadays.
When we won NQR div2 couple years ago, we had the team almost 100% brazilian with Animalboy, Vegeta and Allien; former players right now.
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#1 Hooraytio - 2011-12-12 08:49 (85.228.247.XXX)
Congrats Oclan, wp.Nicely done by Immortals to get the 2nd place this season, I didnt expect that after our easy 2-0 win in the groupgame.
Cya next season!
#2 razor - 2011-12-12 09:36 (81.201.222.XXX)
is adde from US and ovr from brazil? how can they have 50ms?
:) or is the flags trolling?#3 heddan - 2011-12-12 09:42 (140.101.16.XXX)
Oclan is a really strong clan with good TP and some highly
skilled players (Squeeze/Votary). Having that said, these
guys are used to the high ping while we felt like bambi on
ice and with my ~80 ping on dm2 I could not perform at all
failing rljumps and giving away BP like santa on cristmas. I
guess this is something we have to deal with when inviting
US clans into EQL. Well played and GL in the future!
#4 phren - 2011-12-12 10:04 (95.199.134.XXX)
Ggs, oclan is a really strong tp wise clan combined with
skilled players like vot squeeze, and this ovr Guy. They've
earned this seasons victory. I have to agree abit with heddan, the server really lagged, felt like 90ping.. i know its the same for everyone, squeeze & ovr had a slight advantage with beeing used to it. Not saying it costed our loss tho.
Imo, let the Us players play, but change minping for us Eu to max 39ms, especially during playoffs.
Well played guys.
#5 driz - 2011-12-12 10:18 (217.207.201.XXX)
which server did you play on?#6 Conus - 2011-12-12 10:24 (212.214.191.XXX)
The game was on geeky.ccGGs Oclan!
Well deserved div2 win, considering you guys were a one-map wonder when starting the season (hello dm3!)
You've learned to play dm2 very well and also e1m2.
I personally thought we would have the best chance on stealing dm2, but as it turns out.. We didn't.
#7 Hooraytio - 2011-12-12 10:38 (85.228.247.XXX)
DM2 is so easy vs oclan! DM2 - Claustrophobopolis
Chosen: 214 OClan: 210
;D
(btw, image code: qlchf. Does this mean that ppl should "Quit Low Carb High Fat" diet? :D)
#8 Votary - 2011-12-12 10:40 (94.234.170.XXX)
GG's. Yeah nicley done by immortals reaching the final. Not
my best performance under this eql season but luckely my
mates manage to do so. We had some missunderstandings how to
play e1m2. It felt like we where going to loose one map but
it turned out good for us anyway, but it didnt#9 Votary - 2011-12-12 10:42 (94.234.170.XXX)
felt so good as the results show 3-0. Wish u luck in the
future immortals.#10 Rikoll - 2011-12-12 11:20 (212.71.87.XXX)
Is it only me who finds this ping whine towards Oclan
pathetic? I mean, they got way more avg. ping than any of
the clans they play against. This isn't my battle for sure,
but I think Oclan deserves more respect than that.Really well deserved win, and clearly the strongest team in Div2 this season. I think even blt would have struggled alot with this team.
Congrats guys! And just ignore that ping whine. Last thing this scene needs is even more exclusiveness. Guys who don't appreciate the added activity you bring into the scene, are too narrow minded or sore losers to look further than even one inch in front of their own nose.
#11 phren - 2011-12-12 11:40 (212.116.80.XXX)
Just so you guys know, we are, at least not me, complaining
towards oclan, nor that we lost the game because of pingcause they where hotter.
Just that playing vs US players makes Eu people ping up to 51 (not used to) or higher doesn't feel right. I bet 100% for sure, if slackers had one with 80 ping lagging that you Rikoll, would ping up to 80 in a final just to 'even' it out. Wouldnt happend in a lifetime.
This is not a fight, nor this is your fight Rikoll.
note. THEY WERE BETTER AND GG.
#12 D - 2011-12-12 11:52 (85.226.188.XXX)
It's more of a player issue than ping issue. Oclan started
out a div2 clan but for some reason they were allowed to add
2 div1 players.I'm not taking the piss they deserved to win and they have practiced the most. But i kinda question the judgement of the admins on this one.
I hope Oclan makes the step up to div1, the tp is there atleast.
#13 heddan - 2011-12-12 12:02 (140.101.16.XXX)
Rikoll: Noone from our side have ever questioned that Oclan
deserved to win Div2. We are just pointing out the fact that a clan that played with a ping of 50-110 the whole season has an advantage towards a clan that is used to 12 ping and suddenly gets 5-8 times that ping in a final.
The reason for pointing this out is just to raise the question on how to look at the ping rules in the future.
EQL is an European league and should be played on servers where europeans feel confortable. And if US wants to participate, it should be on a best effort basis.
#14 miq - 2011-12-12 12:34 (92.249.246.XXX)
its about you enjoy a game or not, its not only the VICTORY
rikoll :). i think this was the reason of the ping whine,
they didnt enjoyed that much this antilagged good 110-50 ms
game. random things happens with our magnificient
feature...especially if you play 12 ms vs 12 ms all time,
you just getting hit from nowhere. But a champion's mind can
focus only to the victory i know rikoll.#15 Hagge - 2011-12-12 12:38 (212.221.52.XXX)
What's wrong with playing in the UK if it's a European Quake
league? :E The only mistake here seems to be playing on a
server with lag spikes, so maybe just pick a better server
sometimes? It's not like a server in NL would've made the
pings that different, and would've been worth it to get rid
of the spikes.#16 :) - 2011-12-12 13:28 (212.126.160.XXX)
funnyin my time, used to be the guy with high ping complaining about the guy with low ping
now it's the opposite
#17 er - 2011-12-12 13:55 (62.21.65.XXX)
yea, just prac for couple of days before the final with
cl_delay_packet and You own with 51ms :)#18 nitram - 2011-12-12 13:56 (85.119.130.XXX)
Rules are rules so there's not much to complain about,
however, I think these rules are also very flawed. Oclan
might be an American clan by origin but having 3 european
players involved in the same match and game should make that
specific rule invalid. One example is they have a player on ping lower than ~51. Since their average is higher no one complains, but according to rules he should ping up to the lowest ping of the opponent side (51 in this case, on dm2 atleast).
But in some matches, mainly this: http://eql.quakeworld.nu/eql14/matches/92#Played you can see the rules are pretty flawed, having one guy ping 25 vs the opponents 51 ms is pretty unfair.
No disrespect to oclan though, best clan in div2 by far.
#19 Kapitan Kloze - 2011-12-12 15:41 (157.25.191.XXX)
Looks like DC gave Oclan the toughest games in POs.
Congratulations OClan and thanks to all for a hot div2
season!#20 Darkki - 2011-12-12 16:50 (88.112.226.XXX)
10#Wasn't it you Rikoll that refused to pingup vs tvs last or season before that, even when admin said that you would have to?
And now that you are saying that pinging up is something that should not be whined about. Doesn't make that much sense to me :)
#21 Darkki - 2011-12-12 16:51 (88.112.226.XXX)
And just to make myself clear, I'm against pinging up, or
any other rule that "evens" things out (like divisions). It
just usually fucks up more things that it "repairs".#22 pg - 2011-12-12 17:25 (75.63.59.XXX)
This ping whine was nothing compared to the epic NA vs
Poland ping whine years back. Remember kids HPWs have an
advantage! I think it goes down to mental toughness and
preparation. Anyone can practice with higher ping, no one
is stopping you. True champions come through even in
adverse circumstances.#23 Darkki - 2011-12-12 17:40 (88.112.226.XXX)
Communist countries have usually this thing when everyone
same and talent is usually something that is better not to
have. It's same in qw when better equipment, connection, or higher skill level is something that has to be done about, so the less fortunate can compete in same level. In other words this is called dragging down the rest so the worst won't feel as bad.
This has nothing to do with being fair, and saying that you should have to prac with higher ping just because someone is from US and wants to compete in europe is total bullshit.
#24 D - 2011-12-12 17:58 (85.226.188.XXX)
yes going back 12 years with your ping isn't that cool.having 5-7 ppl playing with 13-39 higher ping just because 1-3 can get 100 instead of 120 is pretty bad.
server should be picked where the majority of the players have 13-39, if there's 1-2 ppl with 50+ then whatever. Like finding a server with the lowest overall ping. If that means 6 ppl with 13ms and 2 with 90ms then so be it! instead of 8 with 50ms.
I think it's cool that we got some Americans in the scene but for the people who think it's ridicilous to whine about 51 when others play with 100, you have to understand that most of us have been playing with 13-26 for 10+ years.
Like, for Zero it's no problem to play with 50-70ms because he's done that like 90% of his total gametime. But for someone else not used to that ping it will brutally suck.
Maybe this discussion should be taken @ qw.nu.
/end rant!
#25 nitram - 2011-12-12 18:02 (46.162.108.XXX)
#20 lol, Rikoll is probably the biggest sport this game has
to offer, he doesn't give two shits about his ping, he'll
even play on 100 ms vs his opponent if that's required.
Rikoll has nothing to do with that game, I guess everything
has already been said about that game so I don't have to
mention who refused to ping up lol.#26 razor - 2011-12-12 19:43 (83.250.28.XXX)
imo being prepared to go up to 51 ms is part of the game...
comeon squeeze has 110.. even if he is used to it i'd say 51
vs 110 is AT LEAST even. I would agree with you if you would
have to ping up to 110.You people sound like dag now that always refused to go over 26 ms... it's redicilous.
#27 D - 2011-12-12 20:06 (85.226.188.XXX)
if the entire team were american yes, but now it's the case
of the majority of players having to ping up because of 1 or
2 have 110.the last map could have been played with everyone having 13-39ms, except for squeeze who would have had higher.
lowest overall ping with all 8 combined imho
#28 D - 2011-12-12 20:09 (85.226.188.XXX)
which still means you gotta play 39-50ms games vs some
polish clans and all that. since that's the most even for
everyone.having 1 player with 100ms shouldnt = everyone gets to ping up
#29 Adde - 2011-12-13 01:24 (213.113.115.XXX)
I pinged up to 39 from 25 cause that was their lowest ping
... i could have pinged up to 51 aswell .. but that would
require that immortals would have to ping up to 51 with
their 39 ping .. but yes i agree .. 51 ping is maybe a bit
too much .. it is something for the admins to look in to ..
and to talk with the american players to reach a conclusion#30 cara - 2011-12-13 14:03 (217.209.214.XXX)
ggs#31 heddan - 2011-12-13 14:56 (140.101.16.XXX)
51 is not totally bad even though it feels different... But
I'm used to 12ms and going from that to suddenly have 80ping
with spikes on top of that made the dm2 unplayable...I guess if I play like that for a week or two I would improve but I don't see the point in doing that just for one game. :)
But ONCE AGAIN! Oclan were so tight and only map we stood a chance was E1M2 where we made some stupid misstakes which turned the game to their favour. (My quad GL on phrenic with YA/RL) ;)
#32 phren - 2011-12-13 15:26 (212.116.80.XXX)
i was going to quad with mega + ya + rl from gl and stepped
on his qrenades the millisecond he took quad :)#33 HangTime - 2011-12-14 02:49 (84.45.212.XXX)
@18 @29Actually I think the rules have changed in that regard, there is no longer a requirement that you have to ping up to the lowest ping of the opposing team. All that matters is that both teams have the same sum of pings (with a cap of 38/51ms depending on whether americans are involved).
So for example, 26+52+90+116 is considered equal to 39+39+52+52. There is no requirement for the player with 26 to ping up to 39. So in the first map, Adde didn't need to ping up, he could have kept his 26ms.
#34 riosatiy - 2011-12-25 23:36 (213.100.171.XXX)
By that logic one team could have 12+12+12+250 and the other
team would have to minping 71.. nice.#35 Hooraytio - 2011-12-27 10:17 (83.233.83.XXX)
Pinging up isnt normal but on meth it is!#36 6.doob - 2012-01-12 01:52 (187.3.174.XXX)
sup mates. congratz to our boys.FIY: OClã is a brazilian team founded by me in 2001 (QW, Q3, CS, TF2 and Warsow). Vegeta and Overflow are brazilians who lives in USA nowadays.
When we won NQR div2 couple years ago, we had the team almost 100% brazilian with Animalboy, Vegeta and Allien; former players right now.
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