Splitted divs & new rules

2005-12-30 02:49 by term

60 teams signed up so far is ofc great, but like we have said, 8-10 teams would be ideal to have in each divison. For that reason we have splitted div4 into two conferences A & B.
We have divided the teams in div4 in a "eastern" and a "western" conference to minimize the number of matches with minping higher then 50.

It's quite obvious that some divisions will play 5 maps, tho we are still waiting for a few (mainly div4) teams to vote. This means that we have to introduce two more new rules:
First there will be 5 maps to pick from even in the playoff or qualification matches. Secondly the 3rd map (the decider) in the regular season, will be chosed by elimination from the remaining 3 maps, ie do not have to be one of tb3.

NOTE:we still would like our opinion about the divisions, if its fair etc etc!
No whining just loving, dont forget that
NOTE2:New site logo + colors, thnx alot bps @ #suddendeath and ofcuz ake for fixing the shit togheter ;)

Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none.
? William Shakespeare

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Comments

#1 2005-12-30 09:25 by gore

I can't cope with that much swetur :(

#2 2005-12-30 09:54 by Murk(nopasaran)

i don't like that splitting.
btw, games between .ru & .pl clans will be with 60-70 average ping, bad routing.
Same with .de clans
Let us play versus swedes!!

#3 2005-12-30 09:58 by Murk

Unite div4 please!!!!!

#4 2005-12-30 10:14 by Hooraytio

I dont wanna play vs portugal
kenyaping

give us the russians and the poles back!

#5 2005-12-30 10:20 by Murk (MAPTbIH)

Yeah, Hooray! :)

#6 2005-12-30 10:21 by HighlandeR

ye, geografic split suck a bit.
like #2 said, pl vs ru is worse than pl vs swe.
same as swe vs portugal is worce then swe vs ru/pl

#7 2005-12-30 10:34 by shp3q

swe vs pt could be fine at .uk

well im sorry that you swedes cant have 12ms then but ~30 :(( so sad

#8 2005-12-30 10:41 by Divisions

Looks like it ain't really handy splitted, now you'll still have a lot of minping 50 games. Look at 4A for example:
2xDE/2xPL and then 2xFI/RU/SE. That means like half of the games are going to be real bad.

Same with 4B, that is going to give a lot of bad pings because there are 4 .se and 4 central/south-eu clans. It's splitted in a way that you got four clans from other sides of europe in both A and B. Maybe that's exactly what you wanted, but if you split it like this you simply create more games with high ping instead of getting less. Thus if you really want to have them splitted geografic you should concider some changes.

I would say switch defs/irl/rot/mor with T/lol/np!/txf. That would give something like the follwing:

Div4a: pl/pl/cz/uk/de/de/pt/pt
Div4b: se/se/se/se/se/fi/fi/ru

If you ask me that is the best way to split divisions and you'll rule out minping 50 games a lot.

Take this in concideration

Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none.
? William Shakespeare

#9 2005-12-30 11:02 by HighlandeR

doh.
#8: basicly you put se/fi to one div so they can play with 25/13ms and all the rest to second div to play like minping 100

give me brake

#10 2005-12-30 11:07 by HighlandeR

if you need to split:
4a: pl/pl/cz/de/de/fi/fi/ru
4b: se/se/se/se/se/uk/pt/pt

se vs uk/pt can play in uk/dk.

or make one more div
i/e rename div5 to div6 and make div4&5 from 4a/4b.

#11 2005-12-30 11:18 by konk

I rest my case with guys like Hooraytio...but hey we can play our game on a swede server with ping 120 and then u can have ur precious 12 ms my lord.

#12 2005-12-30 11:38 by Hooraytio

well whats so hard to see?

its NOT ANY FUN to play games with 50-100ms when u can play games with 12-39...

#13 2005-12-30 11:47 by Term

#8 minping 50 yes, not higher, hopefully.

#10 that looks ok too, irl told me they had ok ping in dk, which means okish in uk, but what is theire ping vs de/fi/pl/ru?

#14 2005-12-30 11:56 by HighlandeR

point is we cant play games with 12-39, unless you make it all .se division.
fact is that div4 has clans from portugese to russia and thus you cant play all games with 12ms.

if it's not fun then sorry, but it's a EQL not SEQL.

you have to suffer playing with higher ping to have FUN playing clans from the whole europe.

#15 2005-12-30 12:16 by voland_of_no!

omg so lame :(
gimme .se clans

#16 2005-12-30 12:17 by shp3q

tt HighlandeR
allways swedes whining about their ping BE

#17 2005-12-30 12:22 by B1aze

ru and pl teams in same div = avg ping 70 in their games.
Split divs to north and south/central.
Exchange nopas/{t}/bs with defs/rot/irl .

#18 2005-12-30 12:23 by voland_of_no!

<quote>Div4b: se/se/se/se/se/fi/fi/ru</quote>
^^^ the best for me

#19 2005-12-30 12:27 by Grass

yeah, lol! thangorodrim in div4b with all kurwaclans, only 2 scandinavian clans there.
WO

#20 2005-12-30 12:29 by Grass

sorry i mean div4a

#21 2005-12-30 12:32 by Katsku

Play more ffa with ping 50-70 (prefer xs4all ffa from scandinavia) and learn it..

#22 2005-12-30 12:54 by Divisions

I don't think you understand what I mean Term. You are talking about the fact that you don't want the clans to get higher pings than 51ms. Of course I understand that but I think you should look at another thing and that is the number of games clans will have to play with 51ms.

Honoustly I'm sure of the fact there are better ways to fix this even though I haven't seen how yet. What I said before is nice for the skandinavian teams, there will be loads of good lagfree games but it'll kinda fuck up the other division.

On the other hand it's quite impossible to get a lowping league running with two polish and two portuguese teams in one division. The kurwa's ping 51ms to de/dk so they'll play all games with those pings and the pt guys have 40-100 in uk which doesn't make things easier either.

What highlander suggested was, compared to mine, switching fi/fi/ru with pt/pt/uk. This will only result in more minping 50 games because, contrary to my option, you make all teams that have the possibility of playing low ping games play vs PT. Besides how do you think the UK guys will like that, they will get maybe one or two games with 38ms and all the others higher with your division. But oh sorry you just shuffled them around in your favour, I forgot.

Without a doubt the polish and portuguese guys are used to ping 13/25 just like everybody else. Though it's simply a fact that nobody can deny that unless they play fellow countrymen they have 51ms in 90% of the cases (doubt even PT gets that, with some foreigners maybe).

That's why I think you should try to get as much lagfree games as possible for all teams and not have 51ms games for everybody.

Btw Term, the guys from irl.cz won't cause much ping trouble, they ping way better than polish teams. Afaik they ping like 38 to wargamez, so it'll depend on the fi/ru teams what ping those matches will give but it won't be most optimal if you ask me (in other words, there are better options than ping 38-51 for both teams). With games vs de there shouldn't be a problem because they ping well to germany, cz is right next to it ;)

For the record I'm not even playing in div4 but I simply want to help out with thing because it's horrible to see 80% of the div4 games being played with minping 50 while there is a better option available.

#23 2005-12-30 13:40 by bud

ffs dybbuk and sta moved to div4
what about us :<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ;<

#24 2005-12-30 13:43 by HighlandeR

>What highlander suggested was, compared to mine, switching fi/fi/ru with pt/pt/uk.

pt clans will play in uk against both poles and swedes, trust me .se ping better to uk than poles.
same thing goes with uk.

pl vs ru will coz some 60-70ms games, but it's better then putting them to the same div as pt. and it's still better than pl vs pt.

ps.
poles has mostly 38 on wargamez not 51.

#25 2005-12-30 14:15 by Term

The alternative with a se/fi/ru conference would obviously be better for se&fi teams but IMHO not fair for the 9 other teams in div4. And I'd prefere simple two line suggestions with short motivations, not master thesis on the subject ,).

#23 sta did not qualify for div3 and dyb were removed from EQL1, ie non of them are "moved".

#22 Highlander suggested switching irl.cz vs lol.eu right? I think that might work.

#17 2pl vs 1ru is 2 games, that must be to minimize the minping 50+ matches.

#26 2005-12-30 14:27 by shp3q

oh yea switching us (IRL) with LOLBARN could be fine :)

#27 2005-12-30 14:34 by Tuna

Dybbuk was removed from EQL1? WTF? anyway.. i think we are much more suited where we are right now. cant judge about PHC..

#28 2005-12-30 14:52 by Term

#27 oh, sorry, i mixed up some teams, but if you think div4 is good for you the we will keep you there.

#26 the downside of that is that the fi teams gets one more match outside se/fi (and the se teams one more in se), I'm not sure that's more fair.

#29 2005-12-30 15:22 by -insane-

Is it tb3 for div0 ? B(

#30 2005-12-30 15:33 by Ari(Thangorodrim)

Please remove us to the div4b cause now it seems that we can play only 3 games (BS,Lolbarn,No Pasaran) with even/good pings. :< I'd suggest that you change IRL,Defs, RoT and Morituri (middle-european) to div4a and change Thango,BS and Lolbarn and NoPasaran to div4b. There would still be enough clans in both divs.

#31 2005-12-30 15:41 by Grass

If eql starts with these div4A teams, im not gonna play a single match.

#32 2005-12-30 15:48 by Ari

There would be two quite clear divisions in div4 if they are splitted as I said on #30

Middle-European and North-European. I can't undestand what the problem is splitting them like that. Eight clans in both divs and everyone can play with even/good pings. I think that it would be best for everyone.

#33 2005-12-30 15:50 by Darkki

Same as #31. If I wanna play every game with crappy ping, i'll buy a modem, period.

#34 2005-12-30 15:56 by trmm

Div4A is joke? Ain't it?

#35 2005-12-30 15:57 by sassa

#31 and #33
come with sollutions instead ;)
like ur friend Ari... we listen to ur request and try to compromise..

#36 2005-12-30 15:59 by Grass

Ari already told u how those divs supposed split.

#37 2005-12-30 16:25 by Ari

Ok, Sassa asked me to make a list of countries in div4a and div4b in my suggestion:

Div4a:

Poland
Germany
Hungary
Czech
Scotland

Div4b:

Finland
Sweden
Russia

#38 2005-12-30 16:25 by willg

dybbyk is 10times better than phc...

#39 2005-12-30 16:30 by cpe

#31

nobody cares. selfish dude.

#40 2005-12-30 16:39 by Ari

Sorry, I mistook portuguese flag as a hungarian flag, but that doesn't change anything dramatically :<

#41 2005-12-30 16:46 by HighlaneR

#37:
your divs are: avg 60 for 4a and avg25 for 4b
It's a big lol.

we all have 25/13ms in our countries. i/e pt in pt, pl in pl. se in se, etc.
making hpb div and lpb div from that is nothing but a joke.

if poles can play vs germany/czech, then se can play vs pt -> same pings.

#42 2005-12-30 16:52 by Ari

So no games with good pings and everyone is having fun right?

#43 2005-12-30 17:20 by sm

Ari knows routing :)
agree with ur opinion

#44 2005-12-30 17:21 by sm

ffs, 300 comments? :)
go, play and fire ;)

#45 2005-12-30 17:21 by Divisions

Exactly Ari, it looks like that's what they're trying to do. Add some lag games for everyone so it's fair! :))

The only thing you are whining about all the time highlander is that others should play lagged games just as often as you do. Like they gotta suffer from the fact that you are polish! PLEASE hehe ...

Honoustly if you guys ping 38ms to wargamez you should be happy to split it with mid-eu and skandinavian, cause you'll only have higher pings vs PT. If you want to play fi/ru it would be worse.

And comparing you playing de/cz to se playing pt it stupid because they'll use minping 50-60 anyway since the pt guys ping real bad mostly.

Splitting north/south seems most reasonable. I'm happy div1 is all skandinavian ... what a whine haha

#46 2005-12-30 17:55 by Ari

Looks like there are other who share same opinion as me and rest of the Thango

#47 2005-12-30 18:05 by trmm

Yes Ari! I'll follow you even over the edge! Till the end :P

#48 2005-12-30 18:25 by HighlandeR

doh, lol
what im trying to say is that if pl vs pt have to play with 70ms, and pt vs se with 50ms than it's better to put se and pt in same div.

what you're trying to say is:
if we can make a div with all se/fi/ru so that avg ping is 25 so lets do it and have fun, and let the rest of clans suffer with ping trylion.

my suggestions gives a chance to have all games <50ms

yours are making some clans having ping 70+ to let others have 25.

THAT's not fair.

#49 2005-12-30 18:27 by sidd

I would say that no country division in div4, just divide randomly, so everyone could play both high ping and low ping games. Rpickup is always the word of justice, hey :)

Current division sucks big time. I want to spill some swedish blood too >D

#50 2005-12-30 18:46 by HighlandeR

agree with #49

#51 2005-12-30 22:59 by Term

Another idea would be to modify the east-west solution a bit, to switch 2 .se vs 2 .de, I think the .de teams also ping okish in .uk.

IE A=ru/fi/fi/se/se/pl/pl/cz
& B =pt/pt/de/de/se/se/eu

This is a bit of a compromice, still no 60-70ms games between .pt & .pl and two games vs .se clans for .fi & .pl teams.

#52 2005-12-30 23:10 by HighlandeR

looks fair enough for me

#53 2005-12-30 23:29 by Ari

I agree with highlander

#54 2005-12-30 23:31 by trmm

much better

#55 2005-12-30 23:50 by Hooraytio

i pity the 2 SE teams having to play in that version of the B div...

but anyway, maybe we get lucky

#56 2005-12-31 00:12 by Maybe

Maybe you get lucky, after all u have admin in your clan ;>

#57 2005-12-31 01:00 by Term

Ops I forgot mor from .uk & .sc (in B)

#55 well hopefully those 3! .se teams will have 2x13ms, 3x39ms and only 2x51ms
(and I'm talking minping, not avg ping).

The other 4 .se & .fi teams will hopefully have 1x13ms, 2x25ms, 3x39ms and 1x51ms which is not totally different.

#58 2005-12-31 01:03 by bud

bps great work !

#59 2005-12-31 01:44 by sassa

guys.. thanx for all ur help with diff. sollutions and I got 1 here for you that might be the one we will follow..
so just take a look at it and see what you think, we have already fixed div4A&B into this!

to switch 2 .se vs 2 .de, I think the .de teams also ping okey in .uk

A=ru/fi/fi/se/se/pl/pl/cz
B=pt/pt/de/de/se/se/eu/uk

This is a bit of a compromice, still NO 60-70ms games between .pt & .pl and two games vs .se clans for .fi & .pl teams
The two teams that was randomly choosen to play in B was .BM and CSN

#60 2005-12-31 01:45 by Sassa

msg your opinions about this new sollution

#61 2005-12-31 01:48 by Hooraytio

good for csn and bm

some ppl will still whine and there is no "final solution" to this problem

anyway it cant be done without some whine unless each country have their own division

#62 2005-12-31 02:03 by mushi

my 1st:
I agree with Highlander and all those who agree to him. I wanna splill some scandinavian blood.
about the ping "whine": well, the hpbs country clans are the ones that are truly affected by pings, and I don't see whine? why I see some comments "not fun playing with 50ms" ?

fuck that, lets just have some f!u!n! and fun isn't playing same times over with the same clans :

#63 2005-12-31 03:10 by Hooraytio

there will always be different definitions of "fun"

i dont thinks its fun to meet new clans if i have to play 45+ ms

then id rather play 100 games vs same 3 clans where we can have below 40ms

#64 2005-12-31 03:55 by ...

If i were admin, i would stop the fuckin league for all this whine, u guys should be happy to even get to play in some league nowadays, thought that quake would be dead a long time ago.

#65 2005-12-31 03:57 by ...

And nice to see thango whining with 3 div1-2 players, pings in DIV4, LOL

#66 2005-12-31 04:12 by Hooraytio

and you are not whining? =)

#67 2005-12-31 05:10 by RoT-lake

Playing eql games with 50 ms...that must be awesome
:S

#68 2005-12-31 09:47 by Ari

#64 and #65

At least we whine honestly and openly with our own nicks. So take a grip of your balls and be a man. Write with your own nick :<

#69 2005-12-31 11:52 by trmm

Thanks to eql-crew for flexibility... Div's looks much better and equally now. gg

#70 2005-12-31 12:29 by Ari

I agree with Trmm

#71 2005-12-31 15:45 by mipa

dybbuk beat us with their best team and phc would probably win us as well so why cant we join the nice div4b or whatever with more swe and fi clans

#72 2005-12-31 15:45 by mipa

and im talking about the clan metally troopers

#73 2005-12-31 15:50 by mipa

ok they arent better than div3 pingwise so i take my comments back

#74 2005-12-31 17:09 by bps

thanks bud, glad u like it =)

#75 2005-12-31 18:50 by sassa

#64 hehe... we have an open view for complains and ppl have complained in a good way here so there is really no need to be haitin. You see that with the whine and complains we got more even divisions and better compo!
Thats what I missed from NQR, no offence guys from nqr, but if u wanted to change something in nqr u would haveto bring 1 whole army and just pound in msgs and msgs all the time and in the end bring all clans in for a voting so the admins can see a better point of view than just beeing lazy because its "a hard job fixing the schedule"
well lets not bring old problems in here, Much love for the nqr crew that have helped us with showing what cant be done better and what can be done better!
(damn Im starting to get drunk?)
#68 I agree
Happy New Years

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