Playoffs!

2008-06-16 23:14 by Itsinen

Some need to knows before starting to play, and some info for as long as we are fixing the playoffs to the pages!

As long as we are working/improving on adding the playoffs to the pages, you will be able to play your 4on4 after reading the following texts. The standings of the regular season will get slight changes (we will try to get it as soon as possible showing on the pages). The most dramatic changes are in Division 2. DA and MM will get points deduction for unsportsmanship behavior (only in 4on4). Dogs will gain WOs from both of these clans. The only other clan to get WO is QK in division 3, it was given against A2k & Free. And now to how the standings looks after the changes and who will play who:

Division 1:
tVS - 3B
]SR[ - Sega

Division 2:
[o] - M.M
Dogs - Hips

Division 3:
QK - A2k
Free - CMT

Division 4:
-1 - Nafi-B
FU - Qns

Division 5.5:
Straight to finals: Mmm... Gibbz
CN - Skylla

The deadline for the following games is: 25th (04:00 26th to be exact). Now start scheduling your games ASAP! Now happy fragging and GL&HF!
(2on2s will be updated tomorrow)

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#1 2008-06-23 01:32 by Hooraytio (81.236.232.XXX)

MOAR cuz MOAR

#2 2008-06-22 11:30 by JohnNy_cz (78.128.193.XXX)

So Krass, you say that you know him and that you've talked to him and that it's probably c(a)ge, batfink on the qw.nu forum says that cage=lion... This is so interesting, like a fucking detective story!

#3 2008-06-20 14:38 by 1tsinen (62.241.222.XXX)

Remembered right since we played in the same clan at the time in nqr: extreme schizophrenia - Krass has repetitively offended and threatened admin. He get's banned from rest of season. If this continues he'll get a perm ban!

#4 2008-06-20 14:34 by 1tsinen (62.241.222.XXX)

Sorry Krass if that was untrue but that's what ppl got me to understand back in the days. Did you btw play in xz some seasons ago? I might be confusing with somebody else but not sure. Nothing personal from my side ment.

#5 2008-06-20 12:52 by IBA (84.57.242.XXX)

and .pt is going to the semifinals !

#6 2008-06-20 11:14 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)

krass! comment on that "being kicked out from smackdown admin position and then start to harass ppl on different qw sites" business? :D

#7 2008-06-20 00:41 by lib(oh the pretention) (213.100.62.XXX)

10 year old computer games: serious business


marvel u so fly mayb we can hook up sum time holla @ me on da myface qt peace out <3

#8 2008-06-20 00:34 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)

wasnt krass removed from an admin post or the likes, and then he was furious and started spamming places like challengetv and so on, harassing gaz amongst others :)

there is quite a lot of fun to be seen if you start going thru the demos comments over there

#9 2008-06-20 00:15 by Krass (79.77.223.XXX)

The fact that I have been banned from any leagues is news to me. Would you like to say what ones ?

#10 2008-06-19 23:11 by 1tsinen (62.241.222.XXX)

Soma

We actually do care. But tell us how we could get more info out of it than other people on the scene? And since nobody is still 100% sure about this we can't still make any other kind of decision. Then this is getting besides of the topic, we could've got Lion removed from Dogs roster etc, but you wouldn't have still played Dogs. So why are you still talking about this when you have nothing new to say, and you even said that there isn't really much the admins could do to fix it in your opinion.
(The ip logs you mentioned, what kind of use are they if you can't track down which player it is? Doesn't help with just knowing the town and that there's 2 players and x amount of qwplayers that nobody might be aware of)
Jfyi: The reason you might not know who Krass is -> afaik he has been banned from quite many leagues before so not everybody knows him (remembers him) :P

#11 2008-06-19 20:11 by Krass (79.77.223.XXX)

To clear things up. I used to live in hull until about 2 years ago. I was verya ctive and played qw a lot. The only broadband provider in hull is KAROO. The ONLY other qwer to my knowledge that lives/plays in hull is cage aka Stu. He has boted before, so with all the recent bot stuff I am assuming he is at it again.

Thanks

#12 2008-06-19 17:27 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)

also a few times on ffa there has been more then one person using a bot... which means there is at least another person involved?

#13 2008-06-19 17:19 by johnie (83.70.171.XXX)

i think its punishment enough that lion has to live in hull!

#14 2008-06-19 17:06 by marv(crooked) (82.33.87.XXX)

karoo is an isp and hull isnt a town its a large city. soma cant possibly know how many qw players come from certain areas. therefore its not facts and the fact he doesnt even know krass? well that strengthens my point.

he only brought this up as a defence of the boycott when he was found out. its all speculation and guess work nothing conclusive.

there are other reasons to want to hide ur ip from the public especially if all of a sudden ur made up to be this cheater in qw. lion has experienced a lot of lag and other strange occurrences which isnt surprising with all these false accusations.

i think a line needs to be drawn now? end this nonsense the admins made a decision nothing u can say now will change that.

#15 2008-06-19 16:43 by lib (213.100.62.XXX)

look lion, i don't know anything about this whole dogs boycott thingy, i'm just a spectator here but can you please say (not for my sake, but for your own if you want to be exoneradet from the accusations) why you refuse to post here without a proxy?

because it looks pretty damning, at least from the pov of someone not involved in this catfight

#16 2008-06-19 16:07 by lion (212.50.160.XXX)

Tried to ignore this rubbish at first but the relentless lies are becoming out of hand now. I have never used an aimbot in my life and never will. I\'ve been playing this game for many years and never cheated once. ask anybody that really knows me (not that i have to answer to quake god soma, but his over active imagination and false clams are wearing a little thin, not to mention boring). Your probably not interested in the truth anyway, only in making Dogs look bad because of some petty grudge. Please can you stop spreading childish little lies, thanks. Soma i think you lost the morel high ground when you joined the \"lets not play dogs\" pact. And btw when Krass is in Hull only isp he can use is karoo, its impossible for him to be on Pipex/Tiscali when he\'s in hull like you claim. When he\'s at his parents he may well be on Pipex/Tiscali. Witch is very convenient if you ask me. Funny how the aimbot has apparently stopped when he goes back home to visit his parents isn\'t it... just shows how little knowledge you really have Soma. get a life and pick on somebody else you pathetic Cyber bully. The future of quakeworld is looking bleak with people like you running nqr.

#17 2008-06-19 15:45 by fog (213.134.126.XXX)

Hope you don't mind soma:

13:55 <[Soma]> but when i got the IP, i traced the IP using geolocation
13:56 <[Soma]> with result being "Kingston upon Hull"
13:56 <[Soma]> now kingston upon hull is a little town in northern UK
13:56 <[Soma]> with an exact QW-population of TWO.
13:56 <[Soma]> one of them being lion!
13:57 <[Soma]> the other one being krass (who is on a different ISP, who i never even heard of until recently, etc)
13:59 <[Soma]> they actually went to school together so they know each other quite well
13:59 <[Soma]> and then this too:
13:59 <[Soma]> http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=38 511#p38511
13:59 <[Soma]> check what krass says
14:00 <[Soma]> seriously, how much more evidence do you need

14:00 <[Soma]> lion recently replied to the news post
14:00 <[Soma]> USING A FUCKING HTTP PROXY SO YOU CAN'T SEE HIS IP

IF his facts are true, that there only are 2 people in that residence playing qw, it's pretty obvious yes, since the one doing all the stuff apparantly knows the qw-scene pretty well.

Btw, if you didn't check the link soma talked about its Krass writing something like: "I know who it is, I told him to stop".

Btw Marv, I don't think every cheater creates his own cheatprog, that's prolly pretty easy to find on the internet, or something that's been around earlier.

#18 2008-06-19 15:32 by marv(going grey) (82.33.87.XXX)

sigh, walked away from this but u just will not stop!

ip range is not an ip! therefore its not evidence and indeed as i mentioned before speculation. who are u to say u know every UK qw player? especially every uk qw player that plays in an ffa environment, where any noob likes to play the game.

I already explained lion would not have the capacity/desire/time to create a bot to ruin everyone’s fun on an insignificant server. that is why I know u are wrong/lying and that is why i all but ignored ur so called evidence.

wiki? any tom dick or harry has access to! dont even have to be a quakeworld player. fyi not that it matters lion is mates with both buffy and tiddles they always hung about duels/2on2\'s. u know nothing about his history ur just making it up as u go along. who is ur source? that knows lion so well?

this is getting beyond ridiculous and i will stick up for lion against ur ignorance. if lion is banned from the up and coming nqr which by the comments so far seems to be the case. then i will not support that i will not be signing up. like i did for nqr11 knowing ur the dictator big mouth no life loser running it. why did gaz leave!? such a shame for the entire qw community, he knew how to run a league and how to treat all the players even if he didnt like them personally. GO GAZ

now that we are on the subject of nqr. of course u didnt mind losing in gold it was ur structure in place to begin with and u had nothing to lose and extremely low expectations. u cant go against ur own system! ;x

lastly! lib u tired old man u dont have to read my posts? if u want to have a go at me do that directly instead of an entire race? ur pathetic

*head in hands* i wrote an essay :<

#19 2008-06-19 15:04 by fog (213.134.126.XXX)

Hooraytio, Soma presented some pretty convincing evidence, so there seem to be no doubt that Lion is the one that has been doing this. And now knowing the circumstances about the Wiki-sabotaging, I must say that it's more than lame, it's crossing the line by VERY far ...

#20 2008-06-19 14:27 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)

he hardly played any eql or nqr anyway.
this guy, whoever it is, just lamed around on the wiki and ffa servers as far as i know?

#21 2008-06-19 14:25 by fog (213.134.126.XXX)

gore: A ban doesn't have to be IP depentent? Just not allow him to play any NQR (think Soma has made sure of that though), and EQL-admins making sure he won't play any more EQL...

#22 2008-06-19 14:21 by gore (85.211.243.XXX)

you mean adsl-77-86-120-171.karoo.KCOM.COM ?
oops
they have more than one IP range fyi but whatever.

At least the bot has stopped cheating anyway.

#23 2008-06-19 14:05 by fog (213.134.126.XXX)

Hahahaha, can't just someone ban this sucker from just everything we know so we get rid of a mentally ill and retarded guy.. Plz?

#24 2008-06-19 13:57 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)

i think someone needs to get a better way to surf and play anonymously :P

#25 2008-06-19 13:38 by soma (134.130.50.XXX)

Well I'm not claiming that you'd support his behavior and I'm pretty sure you'd tell him to fuck off if he decided to use aimbot in an official game (which he most definitely wouldn't attempt to do either).
But for me that's kinda besides the point.

Neither you, nor the EQL crew were ever interested in any evidence or IP logs, even after I notified an admin that we were boycotting DOGS.
The EQL admins didn't care about him fucking up FFA in Europe for several weeks on end because it was "outside the scope of EQL" and DOGS didn't bother because I was supposedly just making wild accusations and have nothing better to do than invent serious accusations against various players.

As for lion (aka stu, kid, i8, etc): He's always been on Karoo. Here's a link of him commenting on an NQR game for example (I got more links for you if you want, but I don't wanna fuck up the page again):
http://nqr.nu/nqr9/index.php?cont=battles&id=330
As an NQR admin I also have access to the database where the final component of the IP isn't scrambled with ***.

And I also had a little chat with someone who used to duel vs him from time to time. That person too claimed that lion was on Karoo.
Karoo IPs are always identical concerning the IP-range -> 83.100.*.* is always Karoo. The IP recorded by the WIKI/FFA server is part of this exact IP range and very accurately leads to where lion resides. And since Krass, the only other QW player from the same area and has never been on Karoo...

#26 2008-06-19 12:41 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)

look soma if it is lion i agree with you totally...but i still dont reckon it is if lion is masking his ip all the time how do you know what it actually is?

if i knew he was doing it i would NOT be sticking up for him i assure you.

#27 2008-06-19 12:27 by soma (134.130.50.XXX)

Zaq: Here's how important it is to me to justify myself to you: .

Batfink & Marvel: No, I checked logs and Krass isn't actually with Karoo, he uses Pipex/Tiscali. So... let me just sum it up once more: We're looking for a marginally active QW player who hates buffy/tiddles/jugs, lives in lion's area (only 2 QW players there) and is on lion's ISP (okay we're down to 1 now). Besides, lion made quite a confession when he decided it was necessary to through the hassle of using an http proxy to post a comment here. But sure, it's definitely Krass! zzzzzzz...
You could just be *slightly* more mature about this, make the wanker apologise to the QW community, remove him from your squad and still tell me to fuck off because you think it wasn't reason enough to boycott DOGS. But no, you'd rather defend him at all costs even though it stopped making sense like 3 weeks ago and claim that it's all just because evil soma enjoys spreading "poisonous lies" about friendly, fun-loving, innocent QW players. Please, that's quite low even for your standards.

#28 2008-06-19 11:46 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)

id just like to thank the qw community as a whole for once again making us 'brits' out to be the lame ones even thought it was us being boycotted.

#29 2008-06-19 10:39 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)

who uses u? i dont

#30 2008-06-19 10:08 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)

well atleast we got a nice new expression when jokkmokk decided to get kicked from nqr11: zaqrape!

#31 2008-06-19 08:43 by Zaq (80.216.1.XXX)

once I called soma a "retard", the response from him was that i was a childish ignorant fool for using such expressions. I´m not the only one i guess.

#32 2008-06-19 00:44 by lib (213.100.62.XXX)

UK quakers, fuck yeah!

Haven't had discourse on this level since the days of Sujoy "Smell my finger that's your girlfriend" Roy

[disclaimer: i know fuck all about this whole dramabomb but you know it's either brits or znappe when you see people use "u" instead of you and no punctuation] :)

#33 2008-06-18 19:23 by Hedgepig (84.203.144.XXX)

I also have it on good authority that several members of the DOGS team were involved in an attempted coup in Equatorial Guinea.

#34 2008-06-18 18:36 by batfink (212.113.205.XXX)

oh and its clear you didnt want to lose to a team you dont like soma... im sure you have no beef with any clans in your gold nqr group and thats why you didnt mind losing.

#35 2008-06-18 18:33 by krass (212.113.205.XXX)

isnt krass on the same isp and in the same area as lion? it is probably him. lion plays q3 mainly now anyway and if he was cheating he wouldnt play any games with us as i dont agree with cheating at all

and soma grow some dicks? maybe you should just chop the one off your head so you can be like the rest of us.

#36 2008-06-18 17:47 by 1tsinen (88.195.26.XXX)

A little bit more: and it's not because we haven't tried to get that info. I did for several weeks and several hours/day when my connection still worked.

#37 2008-06-18 17:45 by 1tsinen (88.195.26.XXX)

Soma:

It's hard to punish a player/team for something that is not 100% sure. Atleast none of the admins has gotten any proof of that actually is 100% (notice 100) sure that it is him. And thanks to my isp that has too crowded upstream I haven't really had a good chance to even get proper info on this, or share it with the rest of the admins as good as needed. But I am still behind the decision that there is not really anything that we've could done, except kick them which would have made EQL a private league (admins choose who gets to play league which qw doesn't have afford to do). And just for your information, I heard nobody else from div2 give the same reason for not playing them... so that's what I have been talking about earlier about not beeing even able to know what has really happened. So as said earlier: We haven't even got the info to do a decision like your asking to, since depending on only 1 persons info is imo not enough (even if the person has been one of the realiable).

#38 2008-06-18 16:57 by marv(man up) (82.33.87.XXX)

i dont believe in this collective boycott its down to u and skillah and other half wits spreading poisonous lies about us turning people/clans against us. funny initially u had nothing to do with a boycott and now ur trying to stage a mutiny but where are ur allies?

karoo is an isp not an ip ie a large group not a finger print. adequate to zero proof and if anything its that krass idiot. ever heard of misdirection.

i dont follow the bot scene but wouldnt that mean modding a client? none of us have the capacity or time to do that or most importantly the motivation.

u broke the rules live with the consequences. i dont even understand what u are trying to achieve with these posts anymore.

#39 2008-06-18 16:16 by soma (134.130.50.XXX)

PleuraXeraphim:
[1]: I still don\'t see the big issue here. You put it like I tried to defy everything you ever did for the QW scene. I still think that it\'s a bit \"bald\" to sum up an entire division into 1 sentence and claim that a clan that already played all their games is still \"in hot pursuit\" when there are 2 other clans that could have easily overtaken said clan merely by playing their games and collecting the activity points. Fair enough, I don\'t mind admitting that it sounded (too) harsh, but I don\'t see the necessity for bringing up your \"work for the rookies\". Sure, you put a ton of (very appreciated) work into writing predictions for the rookie tier and actually helped organise the whole thing, making you part of the handful of people that volunteered to help out NQR and the QW scene in general. But what does that have to do with you writing a summary for EQL?!
[2]+[3]: Why is it only a QW scene issue? With the exception of Oblivion, *all* clans decided not to play versus DOGS, and I just checked my logs to confirm that I also shared this with Its1nen (in detail!) on May 27th, so 3 weeks ago. However, despite the fact that it was collectively decided to boycott DOGS, you chose to only punish ~da~ and MM for \"bad sportsmanship\". What the fuck?! And yeah, nobody came to talk to us after I talked to Its1nen either. And as mentioned earlier as well, I really don\'t understand how it didn\'t get you (the EQL staff, not you personally) thinking that 5 clans, consisting of two dozens of adults, decide to go to the lengths of boycotting a clan? I don\'t understand how you as admins can just lean back and say \"yeah okay he\'s been completely destroying FFA in Europe for like 2 weeks, but it\'s outside EQL, so... whatever!\". DOGS weren\'t even forced to remove him from their squad. Wow, how courageous! And even with this lion fuck gone, the list of issues with DOGS is long. So pardon my rant...

Marvel & Batfink: The evidence is as follows: The IP on the QWwiki and the IP recorded by the FFA server are identical and lead to a karoo connection (lion\'s ISP) in the area where lion actually resides, according to the trace results. Additionally to that, the only two entries the created wiki account edited without actually sabotaging them were \"Thundercats\" and \"DOGS\", both of which lion (aka stu, kid, i8, whatever) actually played for. The entries that WERE sabotaged were of people/clans that lion has historically had beef with (tiddles, buffy, clan jugs, etc). On top of that, lion actually replied to the news post above and felt it was necessary to use an HTTP proxy so nobody can see/compare his IP.
And then you worthless cunts have the guts to come here and claim that people are talking shit and that our accusations are just \"wild speculations\". How about you guys grow a dick and finally take some responsibility, rather than pretending that you\'re saints and \"outsiders\" who people try to isolate even though you\'ve never done anything wrong. Isn\'t it getting a bit pathetic to claim that your unpopularity is merely a result of evil soma\'s plotted QuakeWorld McCarthyism?
And what\'s up with claiming that ~da~ simply didn\'t wanna play DOGS because they didn\'t wanna lose?! We just came out of NQR Gold Cup where we got slapped around by almost every clan and I don\'t recall us refusing to play any games there. You have no arguments.

#40 2008-06-18 16:01 by serox (85.118.17.XXX)

I always thought they didnt want to play us because they didnt want to lose. They used some minor beef between marv as an excuse not to play so we could not get to playoffs.

Its game. I dont care about the whine, I just want to play.

Well done admins.

#41 2008-06-18 15:34 by marv(sweeping the streets) (82.33.87.XXX)

k pleura i thought u were being democratic and offering soma a loophole. there is no way forward, sadly there will always be these grudges and rumours causing conflict between clans. the community is too small and i am feeling more and more distant from it, which recently is definitely having an affect on my clans experience.

i think sq on the other hand has some real lust building up there will better watch ur back ;x

#42 2008-06-18 11:06 by Hooraytio (81.224.199.XXX)

hehe, that log squeeze posted is relevant in what way?

#43 2008-06-18 11:00 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)

squeeze why are you bringing my personal life up in a quake site... how is it to do with quake anyway.. cant believe you would do such a thing.

also marvel has not bad mouthed either peri or jon to me and i know himn alot better then you do sq.

and soma you talk crap, we did not refuse to play you at all you refused to play us after the 2v2 and then your members were telling ser to quit us and join someone else.

i bet you any money if you thought you coudl beat us (at 4v4) the game would of got played... you just didnt want to lose to people you dont like.

the lies you come up with about lion cheating on xs4all are amusing also there is no proof of that just soem wild accusations that were made on a forum by krass who used to go to school with lion... if anyone is the bot its most likely to be krass from what i heard

eql did the right thing, dogs did not refuse to play any clan... and the boycot was not 'public' as you are now saying, you are just trying to get people on your side.

i wanted to be put in division 1 as i knew we would have no problems there, at least in that division people get on with it and dont let their egos grow bigger then their skill levels.

#44 2008-06-18 09:20 by pleuraXeraphim (78.16.129.XXX)

With all due respect marv.
I dont care about this argument. Re-read my post. Its outside the scope of the league. So its up to you all to sort it out for yourselves. Nothing to do with me.

#45 2008-06-18 08:29 by uiG (217.68.163.XXX)

1tS g3tTiNg h0T iN h3rE !!

#46 2008-06-18 03:02 by squeeze (69.217.73.XXX)

dodge dodge

so what about u telling me that bat cheated on his girlfriend bex (becca)

you're so full of shit man......

#47 2008-06-18 02:59 by marv (showered with gifts) (82.33.87.XXX)

a public attack isnt doing yourself or ur clan any favours.

there was nothing to argue about ur 'sayings' didnt make any sense to form a reasonable argument. therefore i tried as polite as possible to just ignore/humour u.

remarkably the level of this conversation dropped a few notches SUPER STAR

#48 2008-06-18 02:52 by squeeze (69.217.73.XXX)

u couldnt say much more but way to phrase it to make it seem like you're innocent. you're always the one who loves to argue but u couldnt come up with anything against my sayings so I LOVE U

you told me about a year ago that you were going to kill yourself, please do it you fucking titty sucker. keep on milking the parents.

#49 2008-06-18 02:44 by marv (detective dog) (82.33.87.XXX)

excuse me sq but why make that public and the entire conversation is me ignoring ur rant?

lol truly pathetic, u have some serious issues.

getting more amusing by the second maybe ill stay up a little longer ;.

#50 2008-06-18 02:39 by marv(ONE EYE OPEN) (82.33.87.XXX)

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those links have caused a bug in the code.

with all due respect pleura as u stated somewhere in ur post these decisions are not based on opinions but facts. starting up some public blog is nonsense and a contradiction. bottom line is this is an admins decision not a public opinion.

i dont pretend for one minute that the general qw community would side with us (dogs) over mm and da(soma) reality is they have many more followers;x we are outsiders they are inner circle that will never change.

we didnt break any rules *NONE* they did its really that simple. why are u now dressing it up/stirring it up?

dont get cold feet now because some celebrity big mouth starts whining. if the winner of this argument was based on popularity then YES im the first to admit we wouldnt stand a chance. thankfully it is not and u made the right decision.

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