Playoffs/Qualifying

2005-11-16 14:41 by term

I've updated the rules regarding playoffs and qualifying. We do realize that many of the non Div1 clans want playoff as well but you have to wait for EQL2 :/. We are not satisfied with some of the divisions and our goal is to start EQL2 asap after EQL1, hopefully with more even divs after the qualifying matches.

Playoff/Qualifying:

Div1 top 4 teams - semifinals and final or 3rd place match.
Div2-5 top 2 teams - 2 qualifying matches to step up one div.
Div1-4 bottom 2 teams - 2 qualifying matches to stay in current div.
Qualifying groups - the 2 teams from the same Div keep their points from their previous battle.
Only the final is best out of 5 maps, all other matches are best out of 3 maps.

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Comments

#1 2005-11-16 15:35 by sassa

there will be qualifying for top2 and bottom2 teams in each div!
More info in the rules: http://qw.fragzone.com/eql/rules.php

#2 2005-11-16 15:41 by dje

i cant wait for january and nqr9, this is just bg.

#3 2005-11-16 15:55 by dje

i mean, if a clan is dead last in a division, why would they want to stay? would they even try to win their qualifying game? i think you misjudge many clans ambition. yes some clans are misplaced, but just move then manually. eg, ROT in div5 would probably be better placed in div3 than div4, than whats the point of a qualifier? i think most clans just want playoffs in a divison they belong in and those who just win 1 round in 10 games would gladly play in a lower division. just my 2 cents.

#4 2005-11-16 16:05 by nopee

Good point Dje! DQM didnt even try that hard for our last game we played for the fun of it. We thought, what the heck that we dont have our best lineup for the game. We would still be top8 and could aim for the playoffs.

#5 2005-11-16 18:55 by Hooraytio

qw does not work like soccer
most teams dont wanna stay in a div they get raped in and most teams who rape their division wants to stay.

this does not apply to all teams and i am aware of the few and merry who really wants to improve and play vs better clans, but they are just not many enough to be considered the standard of a qw team today

just move clans manually and use your admin discretion =)

#6 2005-11-16 22:51 by Hangman

Hm, i am a bit afraid of the bind mouse1 kill to be used here :/

#7 2005-11-17 00:06 by Kalma

Let the winner choose: stay or change div ;O)

#8 2005-11-17 01:45 by ^ makaveli

This relegation sounds not nice clans can improve in that week break before Eql2 B>
or simply get better players =]

#9 2005-11-17 11:47 by ?ke Vader

Tough shit then.

#10 2005-11-18 02:16 by hoder

whats the sake of these leagues if not to climb to, or ramain on top? and to compare to fotball again, i dont think any div5 team want to be raped in the 1st but they want to know that they can climb there if they do good..
and there is more honor in this system i think.. wich ad to the fun in my op.. knowing that u might get kicked down a step if you do bad (well not me, im div5 ;)
Setting up even games one can do outside the legue..

#11 2005-11-18 11:19 by Sassa

nice points there hoder

#12 2005-11-18 12:33 by Hooraytio

actually many teams dont want to improve much
they dont feel like praccing or have the time to prac alot and thus want to stay in a lower division.

#13 2005-11-18 19:09 by dje

hoder, who needs qualifers to climb? say your clan either gets really good fast or recruit good players you would probably (who knows) be moved up the divisions, even without qualifiers! Battling your way through div5 to div2 for example if you're already div2-material seems unlikely. And IF the admins decide to move clans manually, what the hell is the point of qualifiers? :)

i think more people want to play in a suitable division and do good there (in playoffs). 90% of the clans will never ever reach div1, sadly for all of them it seems they wont see playoffs in eql either.

#14 2005-11-18 19:15 by dje

atleast not this year.

#15 2005-11-18 21:45 by ?ke Vader

The attitude in QW needs to change from "It's all about winning (with as big margin as possible, preferably)" to "It's all about being the best" because then the whole shit would work automatically.

When you play football and are about to meet a very good team, a team that you know will do you with about 5-0 (or even 10-0?) - what the fuck do you do then? Just give up or don't show up at all for the game? You may think i'm silly when i compare QW with football but imo both these things are hobbies and you should feel as obligated to play a scheduled game of QW as a football match imo.

#16 2005-11-18 22:27 by hoder

dje:i think more people want to play in a suitable division and do good there

well, i think if u do TOO good u should have to climb a div.. u have to remember that not all can be suited for the same div. someone have to loose to the people doing good.. n they probely at that moment rather be rapin in a lower div..
if u dont want to climb, just play worse n see if u remain... =)
and i wouldent want to be in the team choosing divs for teams.. they would probebly get hated alot by some; the everlasting loosers of each div... cant be fun suited for loosing in div 1 instead of kickin in 2 :P

#17 2005-11-19 02:23 by Legio!

Qualifiers, relegations system...


Well what can i say, i have 8 Seasons of NQR behind me, and we never got it to work as intended, i see you guys are trying aswell. In theory it's a good idea..but it just don't seem to work in QW. Clans change players, clans disolve so on and so forth.

IMHO i think it's best to re-evalute before each season, at try and manually to fit clans into divs.


Allthough, i would like to thank EQL crew, you are doing a good job. Not many ppl appriciate the work you are doing, they are mostly taking it for granted ;). Been there done that..

// Legio

#18 2005-11-19 10:46 by dje

ake vader, heh i think many have tried to "change the qw-scene" and failed miserably. just look at the map pool this season :). as long as there's no money involved, people will just play for fun and not for being the best. i think you'll have a hard time convincing clans otherwise.

legio, agreed.

#19 2005-11-19 10:53 by dje

anyway, it might not be all bad if nqr goes with one system and eql with another. eql did a good job of getting the qw-scene going again so i hope we can have both leagues running in the future. gg.

#20 2005-11-19 14:39 by -insane-

Thats why divisions suck ;<
Insanity going dead after this season i guess B<

#21 2005-11-19 14:58 by ?ke Vader

"ake vader, heh i think many have tried to "change the qw-scene" and failed miserably. just look at the map pool this season :). as long as there's no money involved, people will just play for fun and not for being the best. i think you'll have a hard time convincing clans otherwise."

Can't see why one shouldn't play serious when some clans practice almost every day anyway. And even if there were prize money involved they would most probably go to some of the ~10 div1 clans anyway so the question is if that would be a real carrot even if it would exist. :F

#22 2005-11-19 15:56 by -insane-

Qw iz such a weird game cuz for most clans going to upper division is not a reward but punishment :E:EE:

LETS KILL DIVISIONS!!!!

#23 2005-11-20 06:22 by Sassa

insane u got the ladder for killing the divs?

legio, we re-evalute before the upcoming season if a team gets a "Superstar"!
We got some wildcards to move teams so thats no problem!
It will, kind of be like starting over again but with "some" league-structure.

Would be abit better if we had some more admins for next season!
its seems like me ake and term are doing everything around here ;) were r u flint and zanne? :)
well looking for 2 admins from div4-5 so contact, one of the admins if u think ur up for it and got the energy :)

#24 2005-11-20 13:18 by -insane-

Sassa ladder iz teh shit cuz noone is forced to play so basicly clans play clans from their division in eql and that suck.

Smackdown system was the best imo B<

#25 2005-11-20 14:56 by dje

of course YOU like it insane, but the clan loosing 0-300 might not like it as much ;)

#26 2005-11-20 15:36 by -insane-

Loosing is a part of game Dje, suddenly everyone wants to be the best and it just doesnt work that way you got to loose some to win some B<

#27 2005-11-20 15:44 by dje

i think its sooo simple: why play uneven games when it can be avoided so easily?

#28 2005-11-20 16:13 by Sassa

yeah I agree insane, smackdown sure was great... how about a new season?
bagge/trash/tumult/apollyon come on SD-Admins

#29 2005-11-20 16:23 by -insane-

Sassa \o/ !!! B<

#30 2005-11-20 16:25 by -insane-

Btw Dje why avoid them ? isnt it better to learn something from games vs good clans ? :\

#31 2005-11-20 17:45 by dje

oh yes insane , i think you really taught jams how to play qw here: http://www.challenge-world.com/news_updater/matchadmin//div_16 /gam_1033/hgc_JAMS_1_DM2.jpg

claiming clans learn from loosing by 0-300 is just a stupid excuse for you to have fun with quad. SD had TONS of these games, divisions practically eliminate them.

#32 2005-11-20 17:46 by dje

http://www.challenge-world.com/news_updater/matchadmin//div_16 /gam_1033/hgc_JAMS_1_DM2.jpg

#33 2005-11-20 18:51 by gaz

It's not about wanting to win all games or wanting to be the best, it's about having fun, and you can't have fun (at least I can't) when all you are doing is respawning every few seconds and spend most of the game without any armour or weapon.

#34 2005-11-20 19:04 by Sassa

dm2 is hard! :(

#35 2005-11-20 20:27 by nakenochvaken

sniffa lim din dumma polack

#36 2005-11-20 22:29 by telly

I agree with insane, so using my clans games as an example is just stupid..

#37 2005-11-20 22:43 by -insane-

Owned Dje....

#38 2005-11-21 00:28 by oase

grutjes ;)

#39 2005-11-21 00:34 by swi

Sassa: "Would be abit better if we had some more admins for next season!
its seems like me ake and term are doing everything around here ;) were r u flint and zanne? :)"

zanne informed us today that he quit qw because of lack of time.

#40 2005-11-21 01:11 by sassa

oki swi!
thnx for the info

#41 2005-11-21 14:48 by dje

sry telly, just needed a game where insane played and was topfrager so it was obvious why he liked it.

#42 2005-11-21 16:18 by murdoc

so much hate, so less prac

#43 2005-11-21 16:37 by ?ke Vader

I can't see what you guys are arguing about here. It's not like a clan that moves from div3->div2 will get their ass handed back to them, it's not that big of a skill gap. In div2->div1 it's a bit worse though, but with some practice i don't think the div2-clans will be totally clueless. And if the clan thinks so anyway, then get some new recruit(s) damnit... :)

#44 2005-11-22 13:42 by Smala

B>>>> lets kill divisions!!!!!!!!

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