Well 4 divs could work better than 3 in some cases, easiest way to check is to make prelimenary divs and see what teams would be where, and you'll be able to see if divs will be tighter/better with 3 or 4-5 divs. :)

The combined skill-gap is obviously lower but the top clans will still rape or win vs the lowest clans even with small divisions, as it should be.

What about competition dont you understand? And how hard can it be to lose a few games when you still are free to prac vs equal teams the other days of the week?

I just dont agree that we will benefit from small divisions.

Yes Hagge, and not only that: We're going to win Div26, I promise you, without losing a single map.

Osams aiming for div26 andy?

I like that idea. In fact, I'd go even further and increase the number of divisions to 26. That way, everything is fair and no team loses to stronger opposition. If this solution attracts new players because the QW scene is so nice and all games are close and fair, the number of divisions must be increased accordingly in eql15, obviously.

Still, the skill gaps will be LOWER and thats a fact. And thats GOOD if skills are comparable, especially in divs 2-3-4 where ppl are very sensitive to rapes. I hope that some ppl especially from lower divs will soon speak here.

I still think that as the 7th team in div2-3-4 there is a big chance to get raped byt top1-3 teams just as in a larger divisions. Just do the divs in your head using current clans and you will quickly see the skill-gap even in divisions of 6-7 teams.

What I've heard is just the opposite but I will ask again.

Well I talked to DC last night.

"Do you want to play in div1 no matter if its 6 or 12 clans?"

"yes, good night"

But perhaps it has changed since?

"Also, how damaging can it be to have to play a few games versus the top teams when you can prac how much you want versus more equal teams on the side? "
Hey it will happen only with large divisions where skills are very polarized! THats what I was talking about :)
And with smaller divs with better placed teams that inactivity peril imho diminshes.
When it comes to DC, I dont think they're prepared for div1 and it was an honest error of judgement. Im sure they will contact you soon to get this thing straight :)
regards:)

I cant see how we could avoid ending up in a lover division with britfags like Hagge in our team!

I hope we will be placed in a lover div. This game is all about the love, isn't it? Be

Well, DC told me they want to play in div1 so that leaves 20 clans for the other 3 divisions. 7-7-6 or smth. Sure it might work with 12-12-10 games but I still think the teams would suffer too much if 1-3 teams starts to idle since you lose 2 games per team, 6 total compared to 3 lost games in a large division if 3 starts to idle.

Also, how damaging can it be to have to play a few games versus the top teams when you can prac how much you want versus more equal teams on the side?

With your system you have to play 6 games versus the top3 clans and probably get raped all 6 games if you are team number 7 in div2 for example...

We will consider this ofc but unless I start to see some massive support for more than 3 divisions, like representatives from atleast 14+ clans, I dont really see a need for more than 3 divisions.

Bte, "lover divs" sounds interesting! ;)

lover ----> lower :))

But if ppl from lover divs/ppl of lover skills think they way I've presented we /you should really take it into consideration.
nd yes, some teams will go inactive as usual but that shouldnt kill the divisions with more rounds to play in the regular season.
The skill level among clans is so polarized that it may lead to another dicouragement towards EQL activity. We now have record low in singups, lets not make it worse for the future perhaps? And if not 5, you can still make 4 divs with those 26 teams signed up. At least you will avoid some contrversy and comfort more ppl than before :) Consider it!!

Hello Kloze!

I think you have a valid and interesting point but i disagree, here is why:

In a large division, lets say 12 clans, there will obviously be a winner and 11 losers. Some teams will be top6 and some will be bottom6. The bottom6 will perhaps get raped by 3 clans, lose versus 3 more and have 5 more even games versus the rest. Yeah it is possible that the bottom team will lose every game and get raped by 6-8 opponents.

But that would have happened anyway even if they played in div5 with only 4-5 opponents and playing each team twice. Perhaps their games versus one of the clans would be more even but generally they would lose big time as usual.

Cant really see the difference for the 1-2 bottom clans in each division as they are bad enough to lose by a large margin or get raped by their opponents anyway no matter if the division is 12 or 6 teams. The teams that on average end up in place 6-10 in a 12 team division shouldnt really complain either, they dont really get raped but they arent good enough to win div2 or div3 and making smaller divisions wont make most of them win their division anyway.

When nqr used small groups, like 5-6 teams, it really sucked when the 2 worst clans started to idle after their first 1-2 losses. Its just too few games left even if you meet the other 3-4 clans 2 times.

I've recently talked to some of the lover div clan members and they highlighted some interesting aspects to me. Mainly, its the teams placement and division arrangements. They stated that only three divisions lead to mistakes in team placement and hinder the activity/make ppl quit QW. Many misplaced teams go inactive or quit the game in the long run. I can remember tha CCS case when they were badly misplaced. This resulted in inactivity and and now the clan is done for.
I can agree with that - some teams will never improve or have the desire to compete in a higher div. In fact, competing with clans with approx. the same skill level is what makes the game still attractive to majority I guess.
So what do I have in mind? Simply, more dvisions with fewer teams in them. Dor example: I can see now only 5 teams that can play for the keeps in div1 (SR, SD, fom, c88 and TKS). Why , make it bigger and provoke inactivity/rapes? You could make 4-5 fivisions instead with 5-6 teams in each.
Ofc, to provide more interesting games, each team plays another AT LEAST TWICE (that worked well in div1 last season and it shold be maintained).
Some might say that one team gong inacitive would ruin a whole div. It might but the we still should take that risk. After all, one donkey team will not riun QW. But some teams that are misplaced could therefore stop playing and quit QW in the long run.
More divisions equals better placed teams which will result in higher activity and overall community satisfaction. And playing every opponent at least twice equals more games. More games, more QW, more fun, fewer teams/players quitting.

Ok, might show up on Thursday! ;)

In that case you need to show up for the pracs Hagge!

Feels like it's time to dust off the mouse and win div2!

Short version: Each season we place the teams in the division we see fit.

Our decision is for example based on, but not limited to, the following criteria: previous accomplishments, best possible lineup, practice games, individual player skill.

Should some team be extremely misplaced we can, and have done so before, move them up or down.

Psy ended up in div2 because we thought they would be good enough. It wasnt done automatically. If that was the case then the system you mentioned had to have been in place now wouldnt it?

For some reason they stopped playing after 4 games so we never got to find out how good they were. They also _only_ played versus the top3 clans + pewpew and it is natural that they lost 0-2 to all the top3 teams. You cant really expect a newcomer in div2 to beat any of the top teams can you? Psy didnt even try to play versus any of the other teams so you cant say it was unfair to put them in div2.

I dont think you are trolling but you are obviously not happy about psy ending up in div2 when the fact is that the team didnt even bother to try versus any of the teams they could have won a map against or perhaps even win versus after getting schooled by the best teams.

well in this case, what was the reason of automatically put psy to div2 last season?

I'm just curious, not trolling.

And we are off! :D

BLT won div2 in eql12 as well without being put in div1. Why? Because they are not good enough to play in div1.

How many times do you need this explained? The promotion/demotion system of the top2/bottom2 clans was removed somewhere around 10 seasons ago since it didnt work out.

Why?

The number of total clans change each season making divisions unproportionally large or small depending on how many teams are removed by the fact that clans cease to exist.

Also, even if you win div2 or div3 you mostly stand no chance in hell to win even a map in the higher division. Look at osams, they came 2nd in div3 and then won 1 map in div2 the following season.

We also have the issue with new clans. Should they enter the lowest division? Should they be put where we see fit?

The league will be best and most fun for all if we each season make divisions based on current skill and lineup. Just because some team won div2 or div3 it doesnt mean that they should advance to a higher division next season. The might not even have those 1-3 good players that made them win anymore.

However, if a team feel like trying out a higher division than we recommend then they are free to tell us so and if we think they might benefit from facing tougher opponents, i.e have potential to actually become good enough for that division in the _immideate future_ we will put them there. Just look at DC, they arent really close to win versus most of the div1 teams but they wanted a challenge so they have been playing in div1 for a few seasons.

the winner of div2 in eql13 will be put into div1 in eql14, right?

Now we got it sorted out. :)

#5 Its being sorted by admin and dib, yap f'up 8)

Are Deus and John Snow gonna double for "oddballs" and "mob of oddballs"? Guessing it's a f'up in registering =)

#3: Welcome to the tautology club.

If u are active - u are active!

I think this is a good decision, activity has exploded last few days and continue going up.

WTF!!