where are you, gaz?

Are you afraid that +forward will end up in div2 or why are you so zealous about this division business? What makes you think gaz would be able to do something about this?

its just pathetic if you think that the whole business is about my team. And yeah, probably with kloze's team as well. Oh wait, maybe not? Maybe this systems leads to the complete death of qw? Yes.

Cant you see Hoora that maniac was trying to think more in the long perspective? He was reasonable and could see more benefits from the concept that you were able to.
Sometimes I get the impression (and its not only me) that some ppl want the things stay as they are and dont care at all about QW dyiing in geometric progression.

If players quit because of the division structure then how could this possible explain all the div1 players who quit? If we had the possibility to ask everyone who quit qw Im pretty sure a very small minority would name "EQL division structure" as one of their top5 reasons.

See, there might be issues outside of qw that makes ppl quit.

A major problem is that fewer and fewer clans really aim at becoming the best and thats why they dont want to progress through the divisions system. Even if we make 5 divisions the winners of div5 wont wanna proceed to div4.

i see now that you cant understand Hooray that there are players who play this game for fun and not for "progress". And this system leads these people to leave qw.
Regarding to the division system: its div1 what suffers the least from the current division structure.

The division structure is least applicable to div1. They have their top games and competition no matter what. Its all about lesser teams and you know that Hoora.

Third paragrahp: so if a team of poorer skills want to play in higher div, let them so! (ofc not if they' are div 99), nut if a team want to stay in the division they think they belong to, you just have to respect that for fuck's sake.

A league is for competition. We can always restart the ladder for those who wanna play for fun? I do understand that some players play for fun and not only is it perfectly fine to have fun even if you lose 3-5 games out of 11 it is totally acceptable.

You still didnt explain why div1 players quit. Also you still think that the division system is the main reason for quitting qw. I simply dont agree.

You still dont understand that when mixing competition and fun you have to make both sides happy. The clans who want activity will not be happy with 10-12 games if every idle clans means -2 games from their scheduele.

If you have other suggestions besides the division system feel free to comment. Im done with the division issue for now since you dont bring up something that has not been said 5 times already.

If it's decided it's going to be 3 divisions, then is it automatically div1-div3 or could we discuss maybe if there was div2-div4 now until tVS comes back and we could start div1 again?

One of the main reasons why the 3 div system was taken in use was that people would be able to find pracs easier. Since when there were 4-5 divs people wouldn't prac those that were one div higher even if they were rock bottom in that div. This was also a very easy thing to spot with just following the pracs and their opponents during the years. Who plays who etc was easy to spot considering pracs. So it was quite easy to spot that it actually worked well thanks to the fewer divs.

The main problem atm with QW is that there aren't that many things happening on the scene. You have EQL which runs from season to season without too much of a change. Then there is Showdown that replaced the gap that Ownage left but it didn't run as smoothly as the earlier duel tournaments. Atleast I know several players that didn't signup because of that reason which really surprised me. There haven't really been much happening or any variation for atleast a year on the qw-scene and I bet we have the biggest problem to sort out considering that. A kenya tournament, some 2on2 action, some newbie action, some LAN-events (like DH) and stuff like that would certainly spice it up. All of those are gone or excists in the mode of an idea. Things needs to happend to make the players wake up.

To specify it a little more: There are the same basic things happening, nothing else. There is a 4on4 tournament which has run in the similar way for years. There is two 1on1 tournaments that run like they've done for years. There is QHLan that has been running for years. Ask yourself, is there anything else out there? Is there anything else certainly coming up? Is there any variation in anything? Hope you got my point.

tV who? Last I checked Slackers won QHLAN , last EQL + last EQL Pro.
Ofcourse taking worlds best player, Swedens best player and finally after 10 years tVS could win something - makes it hard for you to keep up the momentum with those 2 players leaving. Was never problem for tVS in the past though to get players. No fun now without Milton/xantom though I see.

Why wait for them? tVS no longer up to the challenge? Still few days to signup - don't be scared, we will be gentle.

tV who? Last I checked Slackers won QHLAN , last EQL + last EQL Pro.
Ofcourse taking worlds best player, Swedens best player and finally after 10 years tVS could win something - makes it hard for you to keep up the momentum with those 2 players leaving. Was never problem for tVS in the past though to get players. No fun now without Milton/xantom though I see.

Why wait for them? tVS no longer up to the challenge? Still few days to signup - don\'t be scared, we will be gentle.

"You still didnt explain why div1 players quit. Also you still think that the division system is the main reason for quitting qw." Stop making biassed comments, will you?
Div1 are the best on the scene and they dont really care. If they quit its for other reasons. Haven't you noticed that this implies to lower divisions mainly?

And you still havent answered this: "And you said Hoora yesterday that it would be considered if around 14 clans voted so. So how can you expect this to happen in one day???"

Make more people play and this problem will soon be gone :)

3 divisions? nice! cant wait to play;)

tvs without milton and/or xantom = 3rd at best :D

c88 without kp = 2nd worst case scenario ;)

bibo :E

How many divs in the kenya league?

kp: u mean 3rd div at best? y!

Yea, where is tVS by the way? Ihminen, blAze, maga and diki could do some serious damage in div3 :O btw. Striker is going to win div1.....oh wait SR that is!