Alot of interesting suggestions. If not for this season we will absolutely think about our system for the upcoming seasons.

What about splitting the teams into div1A, div1B and div2 (= current div3)? Then in later stage of the tournament top teams from div1A + div1B would face each other (in group or playoff, not important). = less rapes, everyone will get to play regular div2 teams but also a few clearly div1 teams. Hm?

You should remember well that they didnt allow me to join FU (div2). So I had to join FT. We had this activity conversation then...

And I dont agree with you, playing some pov or dm4 2on2 with 100ms and wireless mouse doesnt help your aiming much in 4on4. And soon without 4on4 gaming you will be rusty with timings and tiny things like walking on spawns etc. Those are the things that matters in div1.

On the other hand if you just play alot of COD or BF, QW feels kind of easy.

#73 (Fix):
Ther will be a EQL:Pro this year aswell, so don't worry :)

#72 Paras are still here, just temporary removed to solve a technical issue.

DC changed their div1 request to div2 so thats all about forcing div2ish clans to div1 and all that yadayada etc.

Why do you put words in my mouth which i never said? Can't see anything about me writing something about tVS?


In my opinion once you have reached div1 skill in tp you don't need 20 4on4 a week to keep that same level. If you however play multiple hours a week 1on1/2on2 WHATEVER it will keep your skill up.
If you start to play 4on4 again non stop it won't make you much better then what you are now, maybe it will sharper up some edges that gives you 5 % more then you have now.

Maybe we can meet in div2 :)

#55 knave and pai should be there also :D

#72
Paras clan Slackers is in div1!

eql pro was great. maybe its something worth thinking about again

whats happen to paras clan?
dc clan request for div1 right?

Haha I was waiting for you Murdoc! :D Its being said that elephants have a great memory, not in this case. How many times we have to go thru this. Every time the same shit talk by SR or you: how and why did tVS retire and how much they still play. Who they should play with. Should we know this better than you? :)

I may have played more Quake in my life than you but so have Dag, Anza, Rakke etc. who cares... its all about attitude you LIKE to play with. And this "pro quake" term you can check from previous conversations. For 10th time I havent or I wont retire QW completly. This year I have played 66 rounds of 4on4 (168 past year) and you 353 (536 past year) + secret server games. So with your math its 8 times more... I got it.

I know Im still better than you and I should play in div1 but my ping just happens to be over 100 and pl +20 almost every night so that is too huge handicap. Maybe I will give a new try for Div1 after this season when I finally got a own Internet connection but still Im able to play only 10-20% of games.

indeed hooraytio, marv and batfink can be added to the list! , my own team is probably not winning gold in div1, but even stealing a map or putting the top teams to the test with close games is what its all about ,

afterwards we say GG and we mean it, and div1 quakeworld is the ultimate goal in this game imo :)


so, all you players who have played this game for years and years upon years, maybe its time to take it to the next level, maybe you should have a long time ago, someone said "players might just wanna have some fun and play some 4on4, well thats exactly what we in crazy88 are planning to do, playing some nice div1 action and have fun, win or lose.

PEACE

#54
"I can probably count 15+ players that could compete in div1 that are all scattered in various lesser good teams just for the sake of avoiding any form of competition."

Not sure if I'm one of these 15+ players, but it's always not as easy as you make it. I'm definately not in div2 for the sake of avoiding any form of competition. I'm in div2 because no div1 clan wants me and I don't have enough time to start my own div1 team :E

Instead I have to play semi active in div2 instead of active in div1. I have always liked competition which was the reason for getting my clan Campbusters to div1 when I had just been playing qw for a bit less than a year. After a lot of bashing we became a stable div1 team and even finished 6th behind teams like SR, CMF, FS, Disorder. This kind of journey is more than possible and I wish more people would realize it and be bothered to at least give it a go.

#55
marvel
batfink

should be in there as well just for the lists sake.

Am I the only one who really liked andy's idea. Something like this: http://i.imgur.com/YGFow.jpg

Noncenc! How clans from div2 would play better if they don't play with more stronger teams?
Let's do 10clans in each div!!!

Also maga retired from pro qw years ago, didnt he? Refused to play with tVS div1 4on4 games, refused to update his teammessages etc. Playing a lot everything else than div1 4on4 doesn't mean you try to compete in the top, you need to be willing to do it. You don't have to be so aggressive all the time sr guys :P

Always so funny to see Diki explain how retired he is for so many years yet he still shows up on the stats page as one of the most active players for YEARS. And I am not talking little numbers, last season he multiplied my play time with at least 8 times.

I can't be bothered to keep playing the same teams over and over again. Any div2 team that DOES want to play in div1 needs a player? =:)

I don't mind the current system, I have no problem playing the same teams multiple times.
I rather play close and exciting games, those are the only ones that is actually fun..
in every other season there is always those games where you already know you will win. It's just boring..

Welcome to div2 phrenic

And about this "div1 players who aren't in div1 should band together and create a team" idea, I support it fully, just tell me how to get ahold of pietro, nabbe and dag.

As a president member of Paras I say: Remove maga and put us back to div3 where we belong!

BS Para hits again :D
As boys told you I have retired "pro" Quake years ago but came back for Qhlan and fall EQL. After I finished my school, moved and started worklife I dont have anymore stable connection or time to play (gf and sports taking much time too).

Actually that happened to Xantom, Milton, Blaze too so I guess this just a normal situation in life and sometimes you have to move on. Seems like some of them can still find more time for quake and thats nice. I joined a div2 team cause Im so far from div1 skill level and I would only be disadvantage for any div1 team. Hope I can play some EQL games or atleast spec some :)

I also think its good idea to play many tight matches than just a few. Rapes are just a waste of time for both. Skill difference is just too huge.

If I was the admin:

16 teams in div1
16 teams in div2

(rougly)

Then every div would have plenty of matches vs different opponents (sure, some rapes, but this is a tournament?).

Anyways, looking forward to the season and I ain't gonna complain anymore now that things are what they are.

Well I wasn't planning on playing quake at all this season untill chosen had some problems with not enough players, aswell as me and zero needed to take a break from haxball after raping everyone so hard for so long =)

I agree with the previous posts. With these teams I'd put the very worst into div2 and the rest into the premium league. The best would still win, most games would be somewhat interesting and complete rookies would have some mercy in getting into the game.

5 teams in a div doesn't make any sense. Why not then go all the way and have f0m vs SR official prac every half a year and not even bother with the league.

players who are not in div1 who IMO *could* be in div1 and form some team :

kapo
jj
Medar
Rkd
riosatiy
Hagge
tom
shamoth
Kloze
kassim
Diki
fix
springs
maga
moje
ok98
locktar
lethalwiz
dahmer
squeeze
desmo




:S

Exactly andy, the problem is that people are spoiled rotten on some divisions that doesn't really matter for anything other than to let newcomers play in some sort of league of their own to improve in their own tempo rather than introduce them to a 500-0 rape vs a div1 team, we're talking divisions 2 teams here for gods sake, most of these people have played the game for as long (even longer) than some of the players competing in division 1. We can go back til the days of Challenge Smackdown that was a very succesful league without divions, game were still played and alot of very interesting games to say the least, even back then to be realistic only 2 teams were battling for the title with a few teams that had a slim chance for it, much like div1 today. The thing that hooraytio is saying about "lots of good players being scattered among div2 teams that doesn't have a realistic chance to compete in div1" has been a big problem for years, I can probably count 15+ players that could compete in div1 that are all scattered in various lesser good teams just for the sake of avoiding any form of competition. I just don't see the point of even marketing something as a competitive league when in reality its not. Competition in qw died with the divisions.

Well, the key problem is that at some point in QW history the responsibility for interesting and fair games was appointed to the league admins. Instead of acknowledging to oneself "We got owned, we need to prac more in order to compete", it now is en vogue to blame the admins, league structure etc.

I find a 5 teams' division stupid. No matter how much "sense" it makes that no 6th team can be good enough to get interesting games and most likely will not even turn up. However, it's wrong to blame the admins for that. People demand equal games, equal conditions, equal pings, equal colours, equal skins, otherwise they quit :-)

Im not sure why you think BLT would be able to do well versus any of the current 5 div1 clans.

Also, in #48, more fun for who? Everytime we try to add the top div2 teams to div1 90% of them just whine and quit playing/avoid to play the top clans. That isnt fun for anyone.

This isnt exactly an admin problem, the problem is that so many of the good players dont play anymore or are scattered among mid-div2 clans making them high-div2 instead. Still not close to being div1.

good divs, i like them.

max_power: sure would, you wanna prac? :)

How about enlarging/splitting playoffs, possibly into playoffs-high and playoffs-low?

All div1 teams are qualified for playoffs-high, they play the pre-season for the qualification ranking in the playoffs. Either top 3 or top 11 (depends on whether you want to start with quarter finals or 1/8 finals) of div2 also make it to the high playoffs and play the div 1 teams (Div1 winner against 3rd/11th of div2 etc.). 12-16th of div2 and top 3 of div3 play in the low playoffs.

Just an idea, which might add some variety for cross divisional games and actually give those "bored" div1 teams a change and incentive for playing the same teams over and over again.

Are you guys serious?! 16 teams in div2 and 5 in div1? I really hope you will make some changes. You should add atleast 4 or 5 teams to div1 to make it a bit more fun. Blt won div2 twice in a row for instance. And there are more clans that should be able to give it a go in div1..

" -qw- kapo` - #blt : prac vs #blt now? div2-3"
ahahah, like it to be easy?

And as the bitter tone in Paradoks' message i suppose we wont be seeing him playing pracs vs fom so even less games in div1.

ParadokS, why are you making things up? Where do you get that stuff. Ihminen announced to stop playing 4on4 like a year ago after EQL12. We tried to change his mind a few times, but he didn't want to anymore. XantoM asked many times if we'd still play, but since it became obvious we won't he decided to join up with his old mates I suppose. Milton rage quited later because of some completely non qw related tongue in cheek comments I made on our channel. :) Personally I'm spending half of my time in hotels in Sweden because of work and also have other plans that hopefully take me to the other side of the globe so I don't have time, and frankly looking at the state of div1, interest to play anymore. Just to clear things out. Over and out.

Well it's true that Div1 is "too small". But this is the solution for this season. Teams will meet 3x in division 1 so there will be enough games and these clans should really provide some really hot games. I also doubt that any team will drop out from the league which is also a reason why we did dare to take a risk like this.

One of the main reasons why it looks like this is that if we would have lifted a team or two up most probably 1-2/3 would have stopped playing. Then the situation would anyways have been the same. And choosing between which teams should be lifted would have been really hard, since so many clans are totally dependent on using lineup #1 in every game to have a chance to steal a map from any other team. So we will try this out this season and next season we might have a lots bigger division 1 once again... depends on how it works ofc, but it's not forgotten. This just simply felt like the right solution this season!

Btw, you may start playing your games. The questionmark clans may also play as soon as they've made up their minds on in which division they want to play! Now good luck!

You are so wrong Paradoks. Everyone of milton blaze xantom and me got very frustrated not getting any game. Diki stopped playing a long time before we even took xantom to tvs. I said everyone in tvs and in public that Im not going to play 4on4 anymore. Then tVS still tried to take darkki to replace me. And tvs didnt get even one prac after taking darkki with the lineup xantom, darkki, milton and blaze. Xantom didnt leave tVS, he just wanted to continue to play. He asked many times if we still would like to play that he would continue with tVS if we played, but i said its better for him to try to get fom together if he want to continue playing. And after milton didnt want to play with that lineup anymore darkki went to sr and fom came back.

well para, you like to talk about other teams and players doing things to improve div1, like fom should never have been started, we should have made 2-3 div1 teams instead, fusion shouldnt have quit, bla bla. I don't see how your trying to do anything to break from your div0 lineup, it's all about the other teams to make something happen. Face it, tvs died, fusion died. Without fom you would be sitting here with 4 teams instead of 5.

@33
Div2 placed team can request to play in div1, but they don't want to.

Very few teams are able to keep same lineups for several seasons. It's mostly individual players who improve and then join a div1 team. Or the team recruits better players and improves that way.

tVS didn't stop because there were no teams to play, and certainly with that premise it would be pretty retarded to break 2 div1 teams and create 1 that are even stronger than anything made before.

It's just that ihm/blaze/diki didn't wana continue without milt/xant. There were plenty of great .fi players to fillup and keep tvs going. You were part of the problem, stopped playing.

And i think getting raped now and then doesn't stop teams playing nowadays? But seeing sr and fom continue what tvs did the last 3 years seems sad... asking .qw prac all the time but havent seen fom playing even once with their top team and sr maybe max of 1 time.

I agree fully with rkd

yeah, or sr or c88 or sd or even tks :D

Yep, 5 teams in div1 looks sad and it is. You shouldn't reduce the amount of teams in div1 if you want to keep the best players in the scene interested. Best solution in todays qw would be only one division with 30 teams, at least in my opinion. What's the difference being first in div3 or being 20. in the whole scene. Maybe it just is too disgusting to play vs better teams for someone or boring to play vs a lot worse teams for others. But what made me stop 4on4 qw at the end of last year was the total lack of any 4on4. Would have been same for me if it was prac or official or good/bad team to play vs but there wasnt any. If the best and the most interesting division is now 5 teams, im pretty sure tVS won't be the only team to stop in near future. :)

blt is too hot, having won div2 twice in a row and still not in div1, WTF?
They will have it soooo easy in div2 now, not a single team can compete with them, just like the last 2 seasons.
And now with medar (WHO PLAYED IN DIV1) they are clearly the only team that would stand against f0m.

Peace out!

"max_power well its not my fault you're not ready for div2 lol"
neither the rest of the div2 lol

Maybe if some Div2 teams are given the opportunity to compete at Div1, they would be able to recruit more Div1 players that are just playing at random, with no clans.

There are plenty of teams on Div2 and Div3 and, at one time, they should be able to improve by facing harder and better prepared clans @ Div1.

They may be not able to perform at their best in their first season but i bet they will practice and improve a lot more if given the opportunity.

I'll go further and, just an opinion, maybe it could be discussed between Div1 clans and EQL admins, who should be invited from Div2 to Div1.

Divisions seems fine, though I would prefer to merge div 1 and 2, because it wouldnt make much of a difference to either FOM or SR winning ;)