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| Playoffs - Division 2 | Suddendeath 2 vs fraggers united | 3 - 1
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| Playoffs - Division 3 | Aut Vincere Aut Mori vs Bind w + forward | 1 - 0
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| Playoffs - Division 1 | crazy 88 vs Suddendeath | 0 - 3
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| Playoffs - Division 2 | OClan vs Immortals | 3 - 0
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| Playoffs - Division 1 | Slackers vs Fragomatic | 0 - 3
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| Playoffs - Division 3 | Suckballs vs OldOnes | 1 - 0
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| Playoffs - Division 2 | Immortals vs Suddendeath 2 | 3 - 1
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Efficiency awards goes to [fOm]Rikoll for 78.5 effi RL Killer awards goes to [c88]kingpin for 14 killed RLs Frag Streak awards goes to [fOm]Rikoll and [fOm]nit for 26 frags in one streak Quadrunner awards goes to [fOm]lac for 7 frags in one Quadrun Boomsticker awards goes to [fOm]Rikoll for 47.3 shotgun percentage Aimer awards goes to [fOm]Milton for 37 direct rocket hits Annihilator awards goes to [fOm]nit for 14242 given damage View detailed map statistics | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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.: Comments
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To break up best teams will mean loss of intrest in general, and if you think you can lure more people to qw by making this some kind of place where all games are "even and tight", you are dead wrong.
And that concept of "fun games" translates to "I don't wanna lose, but I wanna rape if possible". Hooraytio has some great points.
DC was not raped. They even won 1 map of us on the last game. DM3 they were winning until the half of the game.
And I don't think div2 it's so easy to predict as you are saying.
Tossers have a really good line-up, but sadly they didn't have enough time to prac, otherwise for sure they would be favourites... FU is very strong with Diki too and Immortals are doing pretty well. Was hard to play against them. DC2 I don't even need to say. Strong and solid team.
and imo fu have a good change to win div2 allso..
The problem, at least for me, is not playing on div1, div2 or div3. The problem is be in a div where I can play at least some tidy matches.
The difference, is that playing on div2, I have no idea at all about who will be the winner team before the season starts, and in div1, I could guess the first, second and third place.
About the _only_ time one of these teams lost a map with their top lineups was oclan vs csn on dm2 (not counting their games vs eachother)
The same arguments you give for not wanting these div1 players in div1 still applies for div2.
GND
I was talking about dc2 all the time. DC is one of the top8 teams I would want to move up.
And you are still talking about those tidy matches... What would be so wrong with having 3 really hard matches (sr,sd,fom) and then the same even games you had versus div2 top8+blt and some moderately hard games vs c88 and teamkillers?
I dont see the fucking problem anymore and Ive always whined like hell about rape games and uneven teams in the past. Playing vs the same teams we did now plus playing vs current div1 teams would be just fine. Its not like we must use our precious practice games on rapes but getting schooled now and then in an official game isnt that bad at all.
Yeah when sd2 fielded trash and andeh. Skill wise their 2 worst players who played 5&7 maps respectively but still ablz lost 0-2... Ablz wouldnt even have had a snowballs chance in hell if it had been ok98, lethalwiz, nepra, dahmer.
But by all means, give me more great examples on how small the skilgap is between div2top and div2bottom :)
I just wrote that is not a problem for me playing in div1/2 or 3 if at least we have some tidy matches.
Personally, I don't really mind risking few whining players leaving if that sacrifice means more healthy and active scene, as it has been last years. You know, this used to be competitive and fun game, but this new wave of "fair games"-people has really fucked up what is left of it.
What will dead div1 do to the qw scene? Well, take a look at this season. Take your pick.
Why we don't do one big league, with all teams and then we make on the result table an "hypothetical" line, which is supposed to be the "divisions"?
This way, even if you are a div3 team, you would be able to see how is your team going, according to the same level opponents. Also, this would make it possible the top div3 team to play with the bottom div2 team, and the same with division 1 and 2.
And of course, if the div3 teams doesnt want to play with div2 and div1, the would miss the points for playing a match.
Im talking about that its not that big of a deal having to play 3-5 really hard games if the rest of the games, 8-9 are really even. This scenario would happen if we took current div1 and added all the div2 playoff teams. (as long as we dont see a comeback of several players forming really good div1 teams like cmf, cccp, quakeklan, fs. The the number of rape/hard games would be alot higher for the former div2 teams)
But the gap has never been this extreme as far as I can remember.
It feels like there is an entire divison missing inbetween top div1 and the rest.
But it isn't so strange, more and more people see the game as a hobby.
And with the current all-star teams in div1 it would take such huge amount of time and effort in order to even have a slightest chance for todays div2 teams.
So it's pretty unfair to call people cowards etc..
But SD will show the way, we will win semi vs SR, and then final vs FOM.. we will beat those machines.. and show the world it's possible!
Look to our games. Look the scores. If you think that we are totally above the other teams that are playing in div2 and that div1 would be more suitable for us, then, honestly, I don't know in which world you are living. Or maybe you just need to have some holidays from the pc/quake.
ps: it's still ovr posting... since the beginning...
I can remember countless examples from all different type of games where the top player/clan has DOMINATED for long long time, with little resistance. Can't remember this kind of attitude from anywhere else though. Usually it's more like inspiring, rather than depressing to other players, and high skill games are the ones that lure more people to the game.
Didn't get any answer btw: If these fair games are so interesting, why there are next to zero qtvspecs watching these games, and always 100+ when highskill div1 clan is playing? Don't say you like to watch these games, and do nothing to make them happen. These 2 things rule themselfs out you know.
But you are right about that people like to spec hot games, but its allso kinda common comment when its rape game that "boring stuff" etc. and those comments game in this fom-c88 match also. When fom-sr game is there might be that 100 qtvspecs and in div1 final also.
That is true that not all the specs play, but I'm pretty sure these games will get more people to play and motivated.
If you rule 1-2 clans out, then expect these high quality games to stop, and don't come asking why the game just died then :)
Just trying to say that there is usually some price to pay for being too comfort seeking. It's just a game, so I'm having real hard time to understand what's so horrible about losing once in a while.
Blt didn't prac probably even once, and they were left totally alone in bottom div1, so can't blame them really.
I can understand that statement if you would have to play ONLY rape matches, but that wouldn't be the case now would it? It would be like hooraytio said, lots of even matches and few big losses. Instead, you stay at maximum comfort zone.
Blt did prac start of eql and middle of eql but they played against div2 teams.
And easy to say from top that "you only have to play 5 rape games and still have 7 equal games" because you are all the time in that maximum comfort zone..
How can u get "lots" of rape games with my suggestion? You just twist the facts...
and to gnd/ovr..
I never said that like only oclan and sd2 should move up. Both your clans were better than the rest but i wanted the whole top8 to move up. Div1 would be more suitable for all of us since we get kind hard games vs c88 and tks, 3 hard games vs sd sr fom and then 8 even games vs div2 top8 + blt.
How on earth can that be a problem?
Besides any of us can be raped in a prac vs some other div2 team if we get a bad start on dm2 or whatever, it must suck to go around and be afraid of wasting those precious 3h peer week on that... :/
Hooraytio, where am I saying that this is a problem? From what I wrote (two times and now the third) I don't really care the div I'm playing in, if at least my team had some tidy games.
Let me know if you want me to draw this for you.
"Serox, no you are not alone with that idea.
Prolly only ones who dont like that idea are playin in sr,fom or sd. Rest of the scene prolly thinks that way. "
You are correct that he's not alone, but certainly not everyone thinks the same way. I'm strongly opposed to the idea of enforced breakups of 'superteams'; if a team is the best then other people have to try and reach that level. Besides, it's not like SR can't give FOM a decent game.
For me, the idea that I will get destroyed in an official game has never been that big a demotivator. Pracs, sure maybe there are times I'd rather play a 'beatable' opponent (in the rare occasions when you have a choice of who to play) but when it comes to league games the objective is to play at the highest level I can.
In all the seasons I played of NQR/EQL I only played one season outside of div1, and reached the final (never played), but for me that wasn't as enjoyable as causing 'upsets' against more fancied clans in the top division. In fact for me the toughest losses are usually those against the 'weaker' div1 clans, where you expect to win but somehow mess things up, than getting schooled by legends like Milton, Dag, Paradoks etc.
fact is that you beat some clans easy when fielding trash and andeh :P
And here is the draw you asked. I put some subtitles to help your understanding.
http://overflow.ezcommerce.com.br/explanation.jpg
ht, like i have sayd all the time that sr/fom both are to hot to handle atm.
but seriously, does these hot teams want more games like these:
http://eql.quakeworld.nu/eql14/matches/15#Played
http://eql.quakeworld.nu/eql14/matches/18#Played
atleast before they have sayd they more competition to div1. If we move up 8 teams from div2 to div1 it doesnt bring anything else than 8 more games like those, uper ass rape fest games. I think even fom/sr dont wanna play games like those, where the only interesting thing is does they get over 500 frags or not. so that system dont serve noone in this scene.
I think all agree that div1 is dead atm and it should be more active but how we can do that is other thing. Imo last thing to do is to move up those div2 teams.
Ironically in this div2 they would actually have a problem on their hands in the current top div2 teams.
As for Hooraytio's suggestion to put 6-8 clans from div2 into div1 to promote more action in div1, wasn't this tried already? I don't remember this ending well.
As I have stated a few times in the recent past, there just has to be incentive for lower div1 and top div2 clans to play against the top div1 clans. Just blindly placing clans into div1 is not the answer to this problem.
Now there are 3 top clans and 2 mid div1 clans. If, nothing else changed, we added div2 top 8 to div as it looks now it would mean that those 8 div2 clans would get 3 really hard games, 2 moderately hard games and 8 close games (given that blt stays too, thus having 9 div2sh clans)
Would this really be that awful?
Given that we dont see the best players from div2 forming middiv1 clans again and easily spank those div2 clans.
High level QW? Scene is too small for that. You can make one or two 4on4 teams of the high level players and that's it. Which is what you have now.
Play some other game if you want real high level competition.
And congrats on bringing your team up the ranks to finally win the EQL.
Went.
Hopefully I can get a pc and be able to play again sometime.
I mean top clans has quit or disbanded before.. is the ones that is below them not high-level QW then?
Sure this kind of special arrangement thing has never been done before, and I agree it feels a bit silly.
Ofcourse it's better if everyone can just go ahead and form any team they like with anyone they like and still get alot of competition.
But as Kalma said the current scene is too small for that.
If we had 6-7 even teams with fom/sd/sr players spread out together with the div1's from div2 like phrenic and co: and people from c88/tks etc.. we would still get interesting games on high quality.
Looking at div2 it looks so much funnier with that uncertainty who is gonna win etc.. look at immortals who had 10-13 in maps after the season. And end up being in the final. And pretty much every map close.
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#51 Darkki - 2011-12-02 11:59 (88.112.226.XXX)
One thing to consider would be also why div1 top games
gather sometimes 200 specs, and other games 0-20 with good
luck. You all wanna watch great games, and you all don't
wanna see these games that you are calling for. This is a
simple fact, not an opinion. To break up best teams will mean loss of intrest in general, and if you think you can lure more people to qw by making this some kind of place where all games are "even and tight", you are dead wrong.
And that concept of "fun games" translates to "I don't wanna lose, but I wanna rape if possible". Hooraytio has some great points.
#52 gnd - 2011-12-02 12:33 (212.126.160.XXX)
Hooraytio, what you are saying is wrong.DC was not raped. They even won 1 map of us on the last game. DM3 they were winning until the half of the game.
And I don't think div2 it's so easy to predict as you are saying.
Tossers have a really good line-up, but sadly they didn't have enough time to prac, otherwise for sure they would be favourites... FU is very strong with Diki too and Immortals are doing pretty well. Was hard to play against them. DC2 I don't even need to say. Strong and solid team.
#53 moje - 2011-12-02 12:37 (83.146.234.XXX)
hoora, actually sd2 raped only dc2, even ablz who didnt win
single game this season lost to sd2 in dm3 with 40 frags and
e1m2 with 30 frags. So why the fuck people wanna break div
like this? and move teams to div1 which prolly makes some
inactivity to teams who were active in div2.and imo fu have a good change to win div2 allso..
#54 gnd - 2011-12-02 12:45 (212.126.160.XXX)
Moje is right, the gap in div1 is way bigger than in
div2.The problem, at least for me, is not playing on div1, div2 or div3. The problem is be in a div where I can play at least some tidy matches.
The difference, is that playing on div2, I have no idea at all about who will be the winner team before the season starts, and in div1, I could guess the first, second and third place.
#55 Hooraytio - 2011-12-02 12:57 (85.228.253.XXX)
Moje, you still miss the fact that div2 had about as many
possible winners as div1 (2, perhaps 3) and you give a few
examples of close maps when in fact clans like sd2, oclan
and to some extent fu where never threatened when fielding
their best lineups. About the _only_ time one of these teams lost a map with their top lineups was oclan vs csn on dm2 (not counting their games vs eachother)
The same arguments you give for not wanting these div1 players in div1 still applies for div2.
GND
I was talking about dc2 all the time. DC is one of the top8 teams I would want to move up.
And you are still talking about those tidy matches... What would be so wrong with having 3 really hard matches (sr,sd,fom) and then the same even games you had versus div2 top8+blt and some moderately hard games vs c88 and teamkillers?
I dont see the fucking problem anymore and Ive always whined like hell about rape games and uneven teams in the past. Playing vs the same teams we did now plus playing vs current div1 teams would be just fine. Its not like we must use our precious practice games on rapes but getting schooled now and then in an official game isnt that bad at all.
#56 Hooraytio - 2011-12-02 13:03 (85.228.253.XXX)
"even ablz who didnt win single game this season lost to sd2
in dm3 with 40 frags and e1m2 with 30 frags."Yeah when sd2 fielded trash and andeh. Skill wise their 2 worst players who played 5&7 maps respectively but still ablz lost 0-2... Ablz wouldnt even have had a snowballs chance in hell if it had been ok98, lethalwiz, nepra, dahmer.
But by all means, give me more great examples on how small the skilgap is between div2top and div2bottom :)
#57 moje - 2011-12-02 13:11 (83.146.234.XXX)
hoora, in div2 top 8 teams have a lot of those players who
have time for quake like 3h/week. In div1 they have 3 ass
rape match = 3h = 1 week quake. Then there is tks/c88 who
will do semi rape for all div2 teams so after that its
allmost 2 week quake playing time for what? What you think
that will do for those players? and teams where those are
playing..#58 gnd - 2011-12-02 13:21 (212.126.160.XXX)
It's unbelievable how hard is for you to understand some
things Hooraytio. It seems that you don't read, or simply
doesn't want to hear other opinions and want to be always
right.I just wrote that is not a problem for me playing in div1/2 or 3 if at least we have some tidy matches.
#59 Votary - 2011-12-02 13:23 (94.234.170.XXX)
Im going back to div1 after this final so if a team need
more players, feel free to ask. Im going alone, I will not
try to play in same team as my bro. I will not promice a yes
or no now tho if there is any who asks#60 Darkki - 2011-12-02 13:28 (88.112.226.XXX)
#57Personally, I don't really mind risking few whining players leaving if that sacrifice means more healthy and active scene, as it has been last years. You know, this used to be competitive and fun game, but this new wave of "fair games"-people has really fucked up what is left of it.
What will dead div1 do to the qw scene? Well, take a look at this season. Take your pick.
#61 gnd - 2011-12-02 13:36 (212.126.160.XXX)
Is these divisions really necessary?Why we don't do one big league, with all teams and then we make on the result table an "hypothetical" line, which is supposed to be the "divisions"?
This way, even if you are a div3 team, you would be able to see how is your team going, according to the same level opponents. Also, this would make it possible the top div3 team to play with the bottom div2 team, and the same with division 1 and 2.
And of course, if the div3 teams doesnt want to play with div2 and div1, the would miss the points for playing a match.
#62 gnd - 2011-12-02 13:42 (212.126.160.XXX)
ps: is not gnd posting, but ovr...#63 moje - 2011-12-02 13:43 (83.146.234.XXX)
votary, me too prolly, if some team want me, but im still
against that they move 8 teams from div2 to div1. That will
bring some inactivity and top teams wont get more
games/pracs.#64 Hooraytio - 2011-12-02 14:00 (83.233.83.XXX)
Im not even talking about praccing vs sd sr or fom, i think
they can get enough good pracs from eachoter plus if some
extra team of high skilled players would be formed or if c88
would become more active. And gnd, how many "tidy" and even
games did oclan have this season? Easy wins and 1-2 vs
sd2.Im talking about that its not that big of a deal having to play 3-5 really hard games if the rest of the games, 8-9 are really even. This scenario would happen if we took current div1 and added all the div2 playoff teams. (as long as we dont see a comeback of several players forming really good div1 teams like cmf, cccp, quakeklan, fs. The the number of rape/hard games would be alot higher for the former div2 teams)
#65 Hooraytio - 2011-12-02 14:03 (83.233.83.XXX)
And moje: well some teams in div2 got a whole season of rape
whereas top8 from div2 would get 2 weeks by your
calculations... It is not even a problem, just deal with it
for quakes sake.#66 razor - 2011-12-02 14:20 (81.201.222.XXX)
There has always been a gap, div1 has always had like ~4
clans dominating.But the gap has never been this extreme as far as I can remember.
It feels like there is an entire divison missing inbetween top div1 and the rest.
But it isn't so strange, more and more people see the game as a hobby.
And with the current all-star teams in div1 it would take such huge amount of time and effort in order to even have a slightest chance for todays div2 teams.
So it's pretty unfair to call people cowards etc..
But SD will show the way, we will win semi vs SR, and then final vs FOM.. we will beat those machines.. and show the world it's possible!
#67 gnd - 2011-12-02 14:48 (212.126.160.XXX)
Hooraytio, why you insist in write these wrong informations
and keep doing this over and over again? As I said before,
if you are blind and want to see only your truth, you could
tell me and I wouldn't have wasted my time posting here.Look to our games. Look the scores. If you think that we are totally above the other teams that are playing in div2 and that div1 would be more suitable for us, then, honestly, I don't know in which world you are living. Or maybe you just need to have some holidays from the pc/quake.
ps: it's still ovr posting... since the beginning...
#68 moje - 2011-12-02 15:04 (83.146.234.XXX)
finaly some div1 player understand how big that gap is..#69 Rikoll - 2011-12-02 15:35 (212.71.87.XXX)
razor: that's the spirit! if anyone can do it, it's SD for
sure. Gonna cheer for you all the way <3. Maybe ill throw in
a quad bore or two in the final to increase your odds there
as well! ;)#70 Darkki - 2011-12-02 16:43 (88.112.226.XXX)
And how is top div1 being "one div" better a new thing? Tvs
dominated what, 5-6 years in a row with like only few maps
lost total? I can remember countless examples from all different type of games where the top player/clan has DOMINATED for long long time, with little resistance. Can't remember this kind of attitude from anywhere else though. Usually it's more like inspiring, rather than depressing to other players, and high skill games are the ones that lure more people to the game.
Didn't get any answer btw: If these fair games are so interesting, why there are next to zero qtvspecs watching these games, and always 100+ when highskill div1 clan is playing? Don't say you like to watch these games, and do nothing to make them happen. These 2 things rule themselfs out you know.
#71 moje - 2011-12-02 17:01 (83.146.234.XXX)
in fom-c88 playoff match was 47 qtvspecs middle of dm2,
after that game was oclan-dc playoff game and there was 30
qtvspecs so the difference is not that big you are saying.
But you are right about that people like to spec hot games, but its allso kinda common comment when its rape game that "boring stuff" etc. and those comments game in this fom-c88 match also. When fom-sr game is there might be that 100 qtvspecs and in div1 final also.
#72 moje - 2011-12-02 17:06 (83.146.234.XXX)
and when there is game like fom-sr there is alot of those
qtvspecs who dont even play qw anymore. they only come to
watch old "friends" playing etc. or they just wanna see the
only good div1 game of that season.#73 Darkki - 2011-12-02 17:15 (88.112.226.XXX)
Yeah well those figures apply except for this season. You
probably know why this season is an exception, so no
explanation needed. That is true that not all the specs play, but I'm pretty sure these games will get more people to play and motivated.
If you rule 1-2 clans out, then expect these high quality games to stop, and don't come asking why the game just died then :)
#74 moje - 2011-12-02 17:27 (83.146.234.XXX)
In mix league what is coming we see how people will react
when we mix those top players with div1-2 players. Does it
bring more activity etc. or not.#75 Darkki - 2011-12-02 17:53 (88.112.226.XXX)
Don't get me wrong. I'm waiting that mix league aswell.
Should be lots of fun :)Just trying to say that there is usually some price to pay for being too comfort seeking. It's just a game, so I'm having real hard time to understand what's so horrible about losing once in a while.
#76 moje - 2011-12-02 18:00 (83.146.234.XXX)
like me and serox sayd in beginning of this conversation
that losing is not a problem but when u have lots of rape
matches losing like with 400 frags etc like blt this season.
that is the problem. I had nice and fun season with ssc and
we didnt win even half of our games. We didnt rape anyone
and noone didnt rape us.#77 Darkki - 2011-12-02 18:26 (88.112.226.XXX)
Oh, lots of rape matches, like as bottom div2 is having
against top div2? Blt didn't prac probably even once, and they were left totally alone in bottom div1, so can't blame them really.
I can understand that statement if you would have to play ONLY rape matches, but that wouldn't be the case now would it? It would be like hooraytio said, lots of even matches and few big losses. Instead, you stay at maximum comfort zone.
#78 votary - 2011-12-02 18:38 (83.226.173.XXX)
Well, since there was so few clans in div1 who needed more
player's apparently some of other div1's had to find a clan
somewhere else, thats why, and Im not saying everyone, had
to leave to div2. Tho me and my bro has talked about moving
up to div1 again and this time not in the same team just to
see who needs players etc. So if there are any div1's that
need new players feel free to ask. I cant promice a yes or
no tho coz its kinda early to predict any, after this
dramas :). Think good and let there be no more drama about
everything, and we might have a better "quad is
alive"-feeling instead.#79 votary - 2011-12-02 18:40 (83.226.173.XXX)
ah, sorry guys for typing same thing twice, I wrote the
first on my mobile, and didnt see it was 2 pages. so stick
to the #78#80 moje - 2011-12-02 18:43 (83.146.234.XXX)
darkki, go to check ablz games did they had a lot of rape
games, games where they lost over 150 frags/map.. theres
maybe 2-3 maps. they were 9th and didnt win single game so
its little bit different. i use ablz for example because
they played allmost all eql games. Blt did prac start of eql and middle of eql but they played against div2 teams.
And easy to say from top that "you only have to play 5 rape games and still have 7 equal games" because you are all the time in that maximum comfort zone..
#81 Hooraytio - 2011-12-02 18:50 (83.233.83.XXX)
"like me and serox sayd in beginning of this conversation
that losing is not a problem but when u have lots of rape
matches losing like with 400 frags etc like blt this season.
that is the problem."How can u get "lots" of rape games with my suggestion? You just twist the facts...
and to gnd/ovr..
I never said that like only oclan and sd2 should move up. Both your clans were better than the rest but i wanted the whole top8 to move up. Div1 would be more suitable for all of us since we get kind hard games vs c88 and tks, 3 hard games vs sd sr fom and then 8 even games vs div2 top8 + blt.
How on earth can that be a problem?
Besides any of us can be raped in a prac vs some other div2 team if we get a bad start on dm2 or whatever, it must suck to go around and be afraid of wasting those precious 3h peer week on that... :/
#82 ovr - 2011-12-02 19:09 (212.126.160.XXX)
"How on earth can that be a problem?"Hooraytio, where am I saying that this is a problem? From what I wrote (two times and now the third) I don't really care the div I'm playing in, if at least my team had some tidy games.
Let me know if you want me to draw this for you.
#83 Hooraytio - 2011-12-02 19:37 (83.233.83.XXX)
Yeah you make sense now. thx#84 Hagge - 2011-12-02 20:29 (188.223.195.XXX)
It doesn't make sense to me, so am most definately looking
forward to your drawing!#85 Hagge - 2011-12-02 20:31 (188.223.195.XXX)
I would especially want to have a drawing of why ovr is
posting as gnd, but any other drawings would be accepted.#86 ok98 - 2011-12-02 20:47 (85.230.83.XXX)
The fun part is that the topteams always takes the best
players from the teams who is trying to be div1. Like Lakso
from O. Striker from QK... and allot of more things like
this.#87 ok98 - 2011-12-02 20:53 (85.230.83.XXX)
And in div2 this season. I think we (sd2) could lost to
atleast 6teams if they had used their best lineup and had a
good day.#88 HangTime - 2011-12-02 21:25 (84.45.212.XXX)
@22:"Serox, no you are not alone with that idea.
Prolly only ones who dont like that idea are playin in sr,fom or sd. Rest of the scene prolly thinks that way. "
You are correct that he's not alone, but certainly not everyone thinks the same way. I'm strongly opposed to the idea of enforced breakups of 'superteams'; if a team is the best then other people have to try and reach that level. Besides, it's not like SR can't give FOM a decent game.
For me, the idea that I will get destroyed in an official game has never been that big a demotivator. Pracs, sure maybe there are times I'd rather play a 'beatable' opponent (in the rare occasions when you have a choice of who to play) but when it comes to league games the objective is to play at the highest level I can.
In all the seasons I played of NQR/EQL I only played one season outside of div1, and reached the final (never played), but for me that wasn't as enjoyable as causing 'upsets' against more fancied clans in the top division. In fact for me the toughest losses are usually those against the 'weaker' div1 clans, where you expect to win but somehow mess things up, than getting schooled by legends like Milton, Dag, Paradoks etc.
#89 Ihminen - 2011-12-02 21:47 (89.106.44.XXX)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYYo3T6nCw8#90 Hooraytio - 2011-12-02 22:38 (83.233.83.XXX)
#87 could have, would have, should have...fact is that you beat some clans easy when fielding trash and andeh :P
#91 ovr - 2011-12-03 00:49 (85.4.44.XXX)
Hagge, I posted with his nick because I wanted to joke with
gnd saying that we were banned because of fake nick, but
then when I figure out that I would need to repeat the same
thing over and over again, my diabolic plan was destroyed
already.And here is the draw you asked. I put some subtitles to help your understanding.
http://overflow.ezcommerce.com.br/explanation.jpg
#92 Rikoll - 2011-12-03 02:41 (80.203.33.XXX)
That painting explains it all! We all agree after all#93 moje - 2011-12-03 10:45 (83.146.234.XXX)
hot painting!ht, like i have sayd all the time that sr/fom both are to hot to handle atm.
but seriously, does these hot teams want more games like these:
http://eql.quakeworld.nu/eql14/matches/15#Played
http://eql.quakeworld.nu/eql14/matches/18#Played
atleast before they have sayd they more competition to div1. If we move up 8 teams from div2 to div1 it doesnt bring anything else than 8 more games like those, uper ass rape fest games. I think even fom/sr dont wanna play games like those, where the only interesting thing is does they get over 500 frags or not. so that system dont serve noone in this scene.
I think all agree that div1 is dead atm and it should be more active but how we can do that is other thing. Imo last thing to do is to move up those div2 teams.
#94 Rikoll - 2011-12-03 12:36 (80.203.33.XXX)
Its no quick way to "fix" div1. You gotta think long term.
Splitting up teams and letting everyone just compete at
their current level vs equally skilled (roughly) teams, will
just ensure the death of high level QW. Maybe you don't
care. As this is a competition, you should handle getting
raped 2-3 times a season. If you can't handle that, you
don't belong in a competition at all imo. Stick to mixes,
pracs and captain leagues.#95 springs - 2011-12-03 14:38 (83.128.62.XXX)
Some are saying that BLT moved up to div1 on their own
accord, but I don't think this completely accurate. I know
they were pressured because they had won div2 several times
and shouldn't be there. Ironically in this div2 they would actually have a problem on their hands in the current top div2 teams.
As for Hooraytio's suggestion to put 6-8 clans from div2 into div1 to promote more action in div1, wasn't this tried already? I don't remember this ending well.
As I have stated a few times in the recent past, there just has to be incentive for lower div1 and top div2 clans to play against the top div1 clans. Just blindly placing clans into div1 is not the answer to this problem.
#96 Hooraytio - 2011-12-03 20:09 (83.233.83.XXX)
Well the mid div1 clans existed back then, who could also
spank the topdiv2 clans to smithereens. Now there are 3 top clans and 2 mid div1 clans. If, nothing else changed, we added div2 top 8 to div as it looks now it would mean that those 8 div2 clans would get 3 really hard games, 2 moderately hard games and 8 close games (given that blt stays too, thus having 9 div2sh clans)
Would this really be that awful?
Given that we dont see the best players from div2 forming middiv1 clans again and easily spank those div2 clans.
#97 Hagge - 2011-12-04 00:28 (194.2.8.XXX)
I didn't understand anything you just said ovr, but it
doesn't matter since the drawing put everything in pure
clearity! I will expect a drawing explaining why you
won/lost the semifinal once it's been played :E#98 Kalma - 2011-12-04 17:29 (88.112.76.XXX)
@94High level QW? Scene is too small for that. You can make one or two 4on4 teams of the high level players and that's it. Which is what you have now.
Play some other game if you want real high level competition.
And congrats on bringing your team up the ranks to finally win the EQL.
#99 Serox - 2011-12-05 23:17 (82.132.139.XXX)
Dont get me wrong people. I am not asking for teams to split
up I am only pointing out that there appears to be a problem
and I don't think qw needs any super teams right now.
Comparing new fom team to TVs is totally different. Those
guys played together for years while other teams came nWent.
Hopefully I can get a pc and be able to play again sometime.
#100 razor - 2011-12-06 10:25 (81.201.222.XXX)
To me high-level QW is simply the best teams available at
the moment.. it doesn't have to be a dreamteam put
together.I mean top clans has quit or disbanded before.. is the ones that is below them not high-level QW then?
Sure this kind of special arrangement thing has never been done before, and I agree it feels a bit silly.
Ofcourse it's better if everyone can just go ahead and form any team they like with anyone they like and still get alot of competition.
But as Kalma said the current scene is too small for that.
If we had 6-7 even teams with fom/sd/sr players spread out together with the div1's from div2 like phrenic and co: and people from c88/tks etc.. we would still get interesting games on high quality.
Looking at div2 it looks so much funnier with that uncertainty who is gonna win etc.. look at immortals who had 10-13 in maps after the season. And end up being in the final. And pretty much every map close.
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