Yeah Diki, csn is trying to get an easy win in div2. If that was the case I would just have put all hard teams in div1. We ended 2nd two seasons ago and 7th last season even when we had ok98. We won div4 once but I wasnt even admin that season so you can stop your conspiracy theories.

It isnt drama, it is a discussion about the problem with fewer and fewer players wanting to play in div1.

<3 mawe

Sure some teams could have played in div1 but they dont want to and would have idled or try to join some other div2 team or have too wide skill gaps (just another reason to bitch and moan if we had placed them in div1), but some teams are just totally out of the question for div2. And thats why we dont even see certain players this season...

One game played and so much drama. Maybe you should watch and see more games played until making these conclusions.

Frag difference was like 80 in two maps and now FU or Diki (your words) is too good to be in div2. Seems like someone is trying to get a easy win in div2 :P

Btw. in div1 (eql12) we (tVS) won games with (+3848/11maps=) 350 plus frags in each game so this 80 is a really equal score.

Yeah sure, but people wanna play anyway and if they are placed in div1 and stop playing because of that, they wont be able to paticipate in eql at all, so they will fuck things up for themselves, more than they will fuck things up for us, already playing in eql.

And the clans in div1 wont notice that div2 will have less clans anyway, so it wont make much of a difference and there would only be teams for two divisions, instead of 3, that could also be arranged, because lets face it, quake is a 15 year old game and compared to many other games, its still being played alot, even though the scene is way smaller than a couple of years ago.

If EQL would have had kenya maps in it, I wouldnt have played and thats my own fault, but thats because I don't like the maps.

And the fact that there are alot of free div1 agents, that refuse to play with eachother, is just pathetic, because they already know they dont stand a chance vs. the good clans.

I don't consider myself to be in div1, when looking at some of the players that are in div2, but it had to come some day .. and even though C88 wont win eql, we will still try to put up a good struggle and it's still more fun and challenging that raping in div2.

There are a few problems with the current system and the scene in general.

Players in general dont feel like taking on a greater challenge. Some do, but they are few. There is no reward for getting beat up badly in 4-5 games even though you have 5-6 even games. These clans rather play in div2 to get 5-6 even games and the rest are easy. Same goes for top div3 clans, why take on div2 when you can surf thru div3?

The list of mid-low div1 players seeking to play in div2 is becoming endless, leaving almost only the top players left in div1. Same with some mid-low div2 players seeking too play in div3.

I have also talked to players who said stuff like: this is prolly our last season, we dont feel like having a hard time in divX. Or: Player A is good but he is not very active and has bad ping so you cant judge our lineup with him in it.


And niw, when we only have 30 teams its pretty damn bad if 6 of them idles. We have enough scared, idle div1 playes as it is because they "cant win div1 anyway" and "are not allowed to play with their friends in div2, bullshit admins!"

Perhaps make 2 larger, equally strong divisions and have them meet in A, B and C playoffs depending on their final place in respective division? You will play hard, equal and easy teams but the playoffs should be fun and competetive for everyone.

I'm so disappointed guys :( Especially in you rikodinosaur, I thought you promised to outfrag Diki?????

Even if 5-6 teams went idle, there would still be more teams in div2, than in div1... so wouldnt matter that much.

In my opinion csn has a very solid team and skilled players so they could be in div1 just as well as we could. The game last night was tight and could have gone either way. Even with our oh-so-mighty div1 superstars diki and kassim.

nice effi Diki ;)

We had the chance to make 5-6 teams go idle, we decided not to. No whine.

Hooraytio: you had to chance to put FU in div1, so quit whining ;)

Hehe, yep QW is really that easy... we can try 1on4 if you like :D
Also Milton won all matches by himshelf for tVS so thanks Milton!!! But we really should ban you to make games more intresting.

In dm2 RKD was the star in the field and you should have won that map. But seems like you have some work to do with teamplay.

Actually I have never seen FU playing so solid teamplay as we did now so it was really easy to play.

Also tight and good games. So GG.

what mawe just said x2

No sajko on dm2 cost csn the game. This guy probably has the most bjud out of anyone in the world, bad choice of csn.

Noone, a word which I have to repeat, _noone_ has the knowledge and fortitude that this guy has. He's straight up beasting.

Fu should consider themself lucky.

gg diki!

Not as uneven but it still sucks to play vs 1 man army. gl in finals.