Playoffs - Silver

Machinery vs Satanic Slaughter Clan

0 - 3

Game info
Reported: 2012-05-07	Comments: 8 Today: 0
Machinery-Satanic Slaughter Clan 74-280 @ DM3
Machinery-Satanic Slaughter Clan 125-283 @ DM2
Machinery-Satanic Slaughter Clan 212-226 @ E1M2

Playoffs - Gold

Suddendeath vs crazy 88

0 - 3

Game info
Reported: 2012-05-07	Comments: 11 Today: 0
Suddendeath-crazy 88 184-226 @ DM3
Suddendeath-crazy 88 152-294 @ DM2
Suddendeath-crazy 88 237-246 @ E1M2

Playoffs - Gold

Slackers vs ParamedicS

3 - 2

Game info
Reported: 2012-05-06	Comments: 15 Today: 0
Slackers-ParamedicS 254-146 @ DM3
Slackers-ParamedicS 261-179 @ DM2
Slackers-ParamedicS 168-319 @ E1M2
Slackers-ParamedicS 233-240 @ E1M2
Slackers-ParamedicS 241-188 @ DM2

Playoffs - Bronze

OClan vs Dinosaurus&Noobs

3 - 0

Game info
Reported: 2012-05-06	Comments: 2 Today: 0
OClan-Dinosaurus&Noobs 290-139 @ DM2
OClan-Dinosaurus&Noobs 234-127 @ DM3
OClan-Dinosaurus&Noobs 288-179 @ E1M2

Playoffs - Silver

Too Cute vs Suddendeath 2

0 - 3

Game info
Reported: 2012-05-02	Comments: 16 Today: 0
Too Cute-Suddendeath 2 90-260 @ DM3
Too Cute-Suddendeath 2 80-419 @ DM2
Too Cute-Suddendeath 2 168-275 @ E1M2

Playoffs - Silver

Too Cute vs Machinery

3 - 0

Game info
Reported: 2012-04-29	Comments: 7 Today: 0
Too Cute-Machinery 205-144 @ DM3
Too Cute-Machinery 298-107 @ DM2
Too Cute-Machinery 221-195 @ E1M2

Playoffs - Gold

Slackers vs crazy 88

3 - 0

Game info
Reported: 2012-04-29	Comments: 8 Today: 0
Slackers-crazy 88 291-169 @ DM3
Slackers-crazy 88 348-119 @ DM2
Slackers-crazy 88 244-210 @ E1M2

Playoffs - Silver

Satanic Slaughter Clan vs Suddendeath 2

0 - 3

Game info
Reported: 2012-04-29	Comments: 3 Today: 0
Satanic Slaughter Clan-Suddendeath 2 130-232 @ DM3
Satanic Slaughter Clan-Suddendeath 2 79-358 @ DM2
Satanic Slaughter Clan-Suddendeath 2 233-236 @ E1M2

Playoffs - Gold

Suddendeath vs ParamedicS

2 - 3

Game info
Reported: 2012-04-26	Comments: 13 Today: 0
Suddendeath-ParamedicS 159-266 @ DM3
Suddendeath-ParamedicS 230-154 @ DM2
Suddendeath-ParamedicS 251-213 @ E1M2
Suddendeath-ParamedicS 162-235 @ DM3
Suddendeath-ParamedicS 172-236 @ DM2

Playoffs - Gold

ParamedicS vs Demolition Crew

3 - 0

Game info
Reported: 2012-04-23	Comments: 20 Today: 0
ParamedicS-Demolition Crew 353-36 @ DM3
ParamedicS-Demolition Crew 390-67 @ DM2
ParamedicS-Demolition Crew 326-93 @ E1M2

.: Content

Signups, maps and more

2012-02-09 15:08 by Hooraytio

EQL15 is now open for signups!

EQL is back for its 15th installment. Signups are now open and will close on the 26th of February. You will most likely be able to start playing games within 2 days after the signups close. The season will be around 7 weeks long + playoffs.

The map pool this season will be: DM2, DM3 and E1M2. The reason for not extending the map pool until EQL16 is that there is very little chance of consensus about the new maps at this point. Therefore we will run a custom map tournament later this spring and use the two most popular maps from there in EQL16.

The format will be either 3 divisions as usual or 2 seeded divisions.

The seeded divisions would mean that your clan will face half the quakeworld scene in the regular season, probably around 12 clans as things look now. For some clans this will be easy and for some clans rather hard. Yes there will be rape games but this is quakeworld. It is not supposed to be easy.

You will then go into the playoffs vs clans from your own division and the other division based on the final standings. Lets say top 2 clans from each division goes to semifinals in 'Pro' playoffs and the other clans enter the 'amateur' and the 'rookie' playoffs respectively.

The positive thing is that there will be no chance of clans ending up in the wrong division either raping everyone or getting rape by everyone. Even the 3-4 bottom clans should have fun games vs eachother and possible also threaten a few clans above them. Top vs bottom will be one-sided but it is only a few games we are talking about here. The top clans will on the other hand have many easy games but since they are the top clans isnt this to be expected?

The main thing with this idea is to make clans face a variying opposition and bring the scene closer together. The division system has split up the scene for years causing large gaps between the clans which have been hard to bridge. With such a small scene left it feels wrong to keep a system that tears the clans apart.

In order to keep the seedings intact player movements and late additions will be very strictly regulated so add all players you can think of in your team from the start. This will make it alot easier to seed the groups.

Should there be massive opposition and little to no support for this seeding idea we will ofcourse reconsider based on the input we get. We will also consider some type of rookie division if there are 4 or more teams consisting of real rookies (not just rusty oldtimers).

Ideas, tips and tweaks are very welcome so feel free to comment.

Comments

Pages: 1, 2 | Previous Next | Total of 94 comments | First Last comment first

#-1 nancy - 2012-02-21 22:58 (84.251.81.XXX)

cut the crap and try out the new system.

np. Richard Cheese - Rape me

#-2 Greco - 2012-02-20 22:29 (81.234.150.XXX)

Since there is not so much players left ye, that division thing is nice, coming from one who played alot of 4on4 :)!!!

#-3 Hooraytio - 2012-02-20 09:51 (85.228.242.XXX)

1. I dont see the problem in having to play a few games you know you will lose. Even in div3 there are many certain win games for the top clans.

2. You are free to prac versus anyone so the only really hard games you will have to play are a few official games.

3. Since there will be like max 10 clans per group it will come down to max 9 official games.

4. It is not obligatory to sign up if you dont like the format. So far i get the feeling that about 8 out of 10 like the idea but the clan scene is really idle at the moment and the signups are few.
If you dont like the format and you dont sign up because of it then please state it in the comments so we know how many clans didnt like it.

#-4 cara - 2012-02-18 00:58 (217.209.214.XXX)

#88

Well, I don't completely agree and I think you misunderstand a little. But whatever, I don't really care :)

#-5 fix - 2012-02-17 22:09 (85.217.2.XXX)

omfg its alive!

#-6 blAze - 2012-02-17 15:41 (83.102.10.XXX)

"And the obvious trick "/kill" instead of actually dying by the enemy to avoid the +frag wouldn't always be beneficial."

That's a valid point and a difference between a frag limit and the ticket system in modern games. Obviously having a ticket system in QW where you start with 200 tickets and each death removes one would solve this problem, but would require a new mode altogether.

#-7 Darkki - 2012-02-17 14:44 (88.112.226.XXX)

#87

"If frag difference > x for y minutes, the leading team automatically wins. Food for thought."

Won't work. Example: Clan 1 gets fullstart on dm2, and gets 200 frag lead. Team 2 takes a comeback, and could get win the match if it would go on the full 20mins, but your rule applies and clan 1 wins just because of good start. We have seen these kind of matches plenty.

Also this rule would make sauna happen like nothing before. X frag lead --> sauna to ra for X minutes=win.

#-8 cara - 2012-02-17 14:21 (194.47.220.XXX)

If frag difference > x for y minutes, the leading team automatically wins. Food for thought.

Timelimit remains 20 minutes.

#-9 dib - 2012-02-17 14:11 (85.241.142.XXX)

we are cool Ihminen i just think that you dont need to be so much negative.

I think this is a great idea using the to limits frags and time so you can fight for both, that brings more motivation.

#-10 Kalma - 2012-02-17 13:42 (88.112.76.XXX)

#77 I suggested something like that years ago and you were the only one to warm up to it even a little.

Frag difference limit would be less radical. Normal 20 minute round if no rapage.

Or just allow surrendering after 10 minutes.

Getting close to #100, whee.

#-11 Rikoll - 2012-02-17 13:30 (212.71.87.XXX)

#77 Blaze: I think an even better idea would be to have both timelimit AND fraglimit. I figure a lot of turtle shelling would occour without a time limit as well. And the obvious trick "/kill" instead of actually dying by the enemy to avoid the +frag wouldn't always be beneficial. Also with a time limit, some team have to take the iniative to try change the situation, whereas that is not so obvious with a frag limit only.

Actually, trygve and I played some duels on this principle last weekend. timelimit AND fraglimit on 10. It was really fun, specially since I felt the need to fight for every frag.

I think this could work well for this season of EQL as well. When a top team vs a bottom team faces eachother, it probably wont last long. And the top team could find some motivation in trying to end the game as fast as possible, while the bottom team possibly could find some joy in delaying the end as long as possible, and maybe develop some nice defensive routines at the same time.

#-12 Ihminen - 2012-02-17 11:46 (89.106.44.XXX)

#79: Sorry, I mean no harm. It is just amusing that by SR and F refusing to play vs better teams they actually has no teams to play vs anymore. Except for those lower div teams who now doesnt want to play vs them. And yea, div1 became a joke already in eql 11 by that reason.

#82: You did see same kind of bitter comments already back then, by me ;) No much fun of a good game that noone plays. If tVS were still playing qw you would also see a lots of prac questions and enthusiasm to play a lot :) ...I was banned from slackers irc channel for a year back then since asking prac every day :E
I think it was better than this inactivity and refusal to play vs other teams. You should all think about that, if you so much love this game still. Eventually it will stop if you care too much who you are playing against.

#77: blAze, dunno how it would work in QW :) Nice idea anyway.

#-13 serox - 2012-02-17 09:48 (178.250.103.XXX)

Nice idea blaze.

#74: True. Tbh I don think we would see the same kind of comments if Tvs were still playing. I think what may be pissing people off is the fact Fom formed a new super team while there is only like 1 or 2 people who could actually challenge them.

#-14 rikoll - 2012-02-17 09:41 (188.151.85.XXX)

I think thats an excellent idea, blaze. It would require you to try to make the most out of every spawn as well. Specially in this season it could be worth a shot.

#-15 Muff1n - 2012-02-17 08:13 (80.217.142.XXX)

Can't we just sign up and play already?

#-16 dib - 2012-02-17 02:37 (85.241.82.XXX)

im sure you want the worst for the rest of the people who still love playing qw, go back to your bf3 instead of giving us this jokes, cause if i go to some other past forums/seasons i can see you trying to bring moral to this community and now you are laughing with hypocrisy..

#-17 jOn - 2012-02-16 23:47 (83.249.249.XXX)

Interresting idia Blaze :)

#-18 blAze - 2012-02-16 23:08 (94.237.84.XXX)

Playing BF3 it just came to my mind that has anyone ever thought about playing QW to frag limit instead of time limit? Playing to 200 frags for instance would have some pros at least:

- No long and boring rape games. If one team is much better they will rack up the frags quickly and the game is over with.

- No more sauna. The game really isn't over until it's over. You won't be saved by the clock but have to fight to the last frag.

#-19 Ihminen - 2012-02-15 12:39 (89.106.44.XXX)

Wanna hear a joke?

http://eql.quakeworld.nu/eql15/teams

;)

#-20 moje - 2012-02-15 12:05 (83.146.234.XXX)

actually if they would split they should make 2 teams not 4.. 2 hotties/team, we dont count xantom since hes so inactive anyway.

after that there would be like 4-5 teams who really can win eql but we can stop talking about this because they wont do it anyway. I don´t think that there is a lot of teams who would split up if they would be good as fom so we cant blame them for not doing it.

but it really would bring a lot of interest to eql.

#-21 serox - 2012-02-15 11:27 (178.250.103.XXX)

I said you guys were good yeh. But this is at a time when there are hardly any teams left! I would like to see the 4 of you split up and make 4 new teams. There are too many egos going about tho and that would never happen :)

Dont forget I stopped playing before the super team was put together;)

#-22 Rikoll - 2012-02-15 11:22 (212.71.87.XXX)

Well, you totally didn't get it then Serox. And you, one of the strongest voices for us being so incredibly good that we were ruining the scene? Who's on crack?

#-23 serox - 2012-02-15 10:35 (178.250.103.XXX)

Is Rikol on crack?

Comment #62 was hard to read. I had to read it through my fingers while I cringed.

#-24 Rikoll - 2012-02-15 09:31 (212.71.87.XXX)

#70: The scene is about much more than just playing the game. I would be even more worried about the current state if there was no whine (read: discussion) at all, specially after a quite radical change in our one and only 4on4 tournament.

I do hope and think people aren't as serious faced about this as they give the impression of here, and are gonna play nontheless. But if they are, then you're probably right that a break would do them good :-)

#-25 lib - 2012-02-15 03:18 (46.195.27.XXX)

It's amazing as a non-player to check back once every 3 months and see the same handful of people doing 100-post thread after 100-post thread, rehashing the same tired arguments and doing the same inane posturing. It's like the noughties all over again, except everyone's in their early thirties this time.

So basically what Åke said.

#-26 Ake Vader - 2012-02-14 20:58 (81.232.147.XXX)

Same old discussions. Just take a break if it's that bad. :)

#-27 ParadokS - 2012-02-14 19:50 (77.105.214.XXX)

Riklol :)

If it wasn't for murdoc meltdown and afk for last season we would be 50/50 to win against fom, even when u took all best 4on4 players in scene to make this superteam.

Although as darkki said, give u a season or 2 more no team in the history of qw could beat you... but is that some kind of accomplishment? It's not so hard to put best players in the world together.. and actually.. get the best team, woop di doo.

#-28 Darkki - 2012-02-14 19:05 (88.112.226.XXX)

#62

You serious? You mean your tp was top notch compared to for example slackers and tvs season or 2 before? Oh cmon. Individual skill level maybe yeah, but as a team, snowballs change in hell. If you keep playing with that team, then yeah, in season or 2 you will be the best all time team imo, but last season, far far away.

Or was that just sarcasm that I didn't get? If so, dummy me :D

#-29 cara - 2012-02-14 18:40 (217.209.214.XXX)

Some people prefer QuakeWhine over QuakeWorld, lets just accept that fact.

#-30 JohnNy_cz - 2012-02-14 16:56 (84.42.159.XXX)

That's not the only option. Up until now, the solution to decreasing number of teams was to decrease the number of divisions. So another option would be to reduce the number of divisions to two. All the "bringing the scene closer together" and "gap bridging" the admin(s) talk about would still occur, as suddenly div3 clans would play lower div2 clans that were "always separated" from them, and the same applies to div1 and upper div2.

The officially proposed system itself reduces some gaps but brings a whole new gaps never seen before - as mentioned, your team doesn't get to play half of the scene up until the playoffs and then with 50% chance you will only get to play one team from the other half and then you are done.

I can't help but with more and more reads the news post sounds more like some cheap marketing crap talk.

#-31 nitram - 2012-02-14 16:01 (85.119.130.XXX)

#61, I don't, but I don't see how disbanding three teams will make much of a difference to this season anyway.

#-32 jOn - 2012-02-14 15:52 (2.64.195.XXX)

Rikoll, how do u feel about some kenya maps?

#-33 Rikoll - 2012-02-14 15:41 (212.71.87.XXX)

#58: Don't know about that. No team in QW history would even have a remote chance on any map vs Fragomatic last season.

But yeah, might as well play tetris if this is how it's gonna be.

#-34 mipa - 2012-02-14 15:39 (91.154.101.XXX)

nitram,

do you honestly enjoy a tournament when most of the games give you no challenge at all?

#-35 jOn - 2012-02-14 15:37 (2.64.195.XXX)

Hmmz, why would the div0 teams wanna split up?

We have to think of something better... New maps for div1 would be gr8 for instance...

#-36 serox - 2012-02-14 15:29 (178.250.103.XXX)

Darrki, true. Didnt think of last div like that but your right.

Martin, thank you for your input. I am only trying to help you.

#-37 nitram - 2012-02-14 15:15 (85.119.130.XXX)

Lets just disband all clans and leagues, no point in having clans as some will evolve past the SACRED DIV2! Lets just play mix all day long (with EQUAL TEAMS ONLY!).

Ah, why do I even bother, cu in Tetris, thats what real men play anyway.

#-38 Darkki - 2012-02-14 15:15 (88.112.226.XXX)

#56

"How about have div0 for fom, sr and SD and they have to play each other all twice as much as the other division or something else that makes div0 more entertaining. "

Like last season? One prac in whole season, we played 2x vs each and then the end games. Was total shit and most boring season ever. Also because of the lack of teams and pracs, the skill level was like a time machine back to year 2000. So your idea is allready tested out, and it didn't work out that nice.

Splitting up is actually way better idea, sad to say. Can't think anything else either. Draft league is a good start for that.

#-39 Ser - 2012-02-14 15:04 (178.250.103.XXX)

Splitting up the top teams is a dissapointing idea but I cannot think of what else could be done that would not put other people off playing. Maybe something new needs to be suggested.

How about have div0 for fom, sr and SD and they have to play each other all twice as much as the other division or something else that makes div0 more entertaining. A top div with just the teams who really cahllenge each other but something else going on to make it exciting for others? make them play each other on tb3 twice and also a new map that none have ever played before? just thinking out loud..

#-40 riosatiy - 2012-02-14 13:49 (83.241.243.XXX)

Everyone want's every game to be somewhat even. This is just not possible in qw anymore. The game is to unbalanced. In no other game or sport that I have played have I ever felt so powerless vs someone just a division above me.

When more teams were around the gap within divisions naturally was smaller.

Just face it. Accept facts. Move on. play people better/worse than you and try to enjoy this old game as long as possible, I sure enjoy it even tho I get pwnd 90% of the games I play.

I think the draft league idea is really solid. It would be a way of having a more even competitive game while having fun.
If lucky, some people would actually evolve into higher tier players from this as well.

#-41 Darkki - 2012-02-14 13:02 (88.112.226.XXX)

"Yes! A mid-level div2 team might be having trouble with top div2 teams, so the best practice is to make them face even better teams!"

Well this has been the case until recent years, when all is left is "I want fair games (pref. win)" people.

I remember getting my ass kicked from left and right, and it didn't feel it was waste of time. I remember it being fun to go to server and you know..play the game, and not making up the score before the game even starts. Maybe that's the problem in the first place?

I can already see what's coming up with the new system: alot of WO's. I wouldn't wanna expect the worst, but I think I've seen enough of this scene (or scenes..?) that I can make this assumption.

#-42 mipa - 2012-02-14 12:36 (91.154.101.XXX)

Yes! A mid-level div2 team might be having trouble with top div2 teams, so the best practice is to make them face even better teams! The problem is that before you can enjoy the (hopefully) nice playoff stage you need to play teams that are nowhere near your level of skill, and it just simply does not benefit anyone.

#-43 Ihminen - 2012-02-14 11:54 (89.106.44.XXX)

#-44 Rikoll - 2012-02-14 11:15 (212.71.87.XXX)

" ... this season only." should be " ... this season AS WELL."

#-45 Rikoll - 2012-02-14 11:13 (212.71.87.XXX)

#49: "This will also be the case this season." was a response to "#42: "I am entering a competition yes, but in previous seasons there has been the possibility to compete with teams who are about the same skill level as you are."

Why on earth would you try to twist that into something more benefiting your whine? Yes, of course you will face teams that you will lose big and win big against as well if you're in a middle tiered team. I was simply saying that yes, of course you will compete with teams that are about the same skill level as you this season only.

Whiners gonna whine I guess.

#-46 mipa - 2012-02-14 10:47 (91.154.101.XXX)

"This will also be the case this season."

How? You have to play against teams that are clearly better and clearly worse to get a somewhat equal playoff stage. You already know your place in the hierarchy of skill so why do you need to be reminded of it by being forced to play top div0 clans or the shittiest div6 clans? The admin crew may not know every teams skill level before the tournament starts, but this is a retarded way to prove it. Is there even a way to make sure teams don't lose on purpose to get an easier playoff stage?

"Make players/teams WANT to be in div1 and win the competition."

Even if you did find the cause, I think this is simply impossible. It's like forcing someone to enjoy coffee instead of tea (without torture).

#-47 jOn - 2012-02-14 00:29 (83.249.249.XXX)

Everyone wants fair games, everyone wants to have fun, everyone wants pent.

GL Admins!

#-48 ParadokS - 2012-02-13 22:53 (77.105.214.XXX)

yeah the reason they wanna be in div2 cause they think they have good chance to beat everyone there.

#-49 Rikoll - 2012-02-13 21:21 (80.203.43.XXX)

#42: "I am entering a competition yes, but in previous seasons there has been the possibility to compete with teams who are about the same skill level as you are."

This will also be the case this season. Fucking ridiculus amount of whine. Just sign up and play. "I'm not signing up because blablabla", "I just wanna play for fun blablabla". Stop being such primadonnas, and just fucking play the game.

#-50 andy - 2012-02-13 21:03 (84.60.141.XXX)

Ask yourself why more teams/players want to be in div2 instead of div1. And then, when you find the cause, solve it. Make players/teams WANT to be in div1 and win the competition.

If you can fix/achieve this, QW will be great again.

Showing Page 1 of 2
A total of 94 comments
Previous Next
Page: 1, 2

Note
On this site we log the IP of all users who post comments on matches/articles.

Game info

Game info

Game info

Game info

Game info

Game info

Game info

Game info

Game info

Game info

Signups, maps and more

Comments