#1 2006-10-27 00:26 by plast (83.30.5.XXX)

contender sets ban on *!*@bxl66.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl
* You have been kicked from #o by contender (polackfittor)

#2 2006-10-27 00:31 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)

rofl, what an evening.. sitting studying on my exam when I get a sms from nas:

"IRC!!!!! NU!!!!!!!!!!!!! VIKTIGT!!!!!!!!"

of course I came on since I was really bored with the studying. :) and I get forced to play a hpwgame with 38 ms sniff, when I hadn't even played in 3 weeks. :/ anyway, it was BG. :)

#3 2006-10-27 00:39 by nakoz (80.217.82.XXX)

sk?na bs-dueller med moltas@19ms... men de fick en kurwa-admin p? deras sida, s? tips fr?n coachen, om ni m?ter en polsk el. dyl (u-landsklan med kass connection), ta den spelaren som ?r s?mst - i det h?r fallet mig - ? routa honom till 20 ms h?gre. sen kan ni ta er keyplayer, ? dra ner honom 20ms... med all s?kerhet tj?nar ni mycket p? det.

plast agerade h?rd polis ? fick v?nta 25 minuter innan han lyckades v?cka den enda polska adminen... s? lol.

just de, vi f?reslog minping 33 (trots att reglerna s?ger att vi tar det som den som har n?st l?gst har), men highlander tyckte inte att "minping skulle missbrukas".. s? pinsamt.

it was bg.

#4 2006-10-27 00:46 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)

I second that :(

#5 2006-10-27 00:52 by nakoz (80.217.82.XXX)

fick precis h?ra fr?n anonyma k?llor att plast hade letat p? highlanders mammas mobilnummer p? hitta.pl och ringt in honom exklusivt f?r ett extra partiskt (l?s: polskt) beslut...

hoppas ni st?ller upp i nqr som kommer, vi ska skvallra f?r dje (s? kan han komma och vara elak storebror n?r det tryter)!

#6 2006-10-27 00:54 by nakoz (80.217.82.XXX)

just de, i'm on fire, n?sta s?song ?r ju en ^bg d2^ given som nametag. sassa k?nns lite 2005...

#7 2006-10-27 00:57 by *-/=) (85.24.185.XXX)

Enligt n?got os?kra rykten tar alla polska quakespelare varandra i rumpan regelbundet.
Detta kan m?jligtvis f?rklara den n?rhet de k?nner med varandra ?ver klangr?nser och mellan spelare och admins.

#8 2006-10-27 00:58 by nas (83.226.242.XXX)

=/

#9 2006-10-27 01:02 by serox (84.12.197.XXX)

fun games. wish i did not have to play with 50ms in kenya tho.

i wanted to lose e1m2 but Plast went mad at me on mm2. i wanted to have some fun on dm3.

gg.

#10 2006-10-27 01:40 by In4mer (85.131.95.XXX)

http://elaintarha.klaanit.tf/dm/gallery/o_kurwa_thumb.j pg

#11 2006-10-27 01:43 by ajkon (213.113.65.XXX)

looooooool nakoz ffs sluta bete dig som en girig snobb-moderat som whinar ?ver att han bara fick 80lakan denna m?nad ist?llet f?r vanliga 90 som g?r att de blev bahamas ist?llet f?r saint-trop?z....
hmmm e v?l bara en polack i deras lineup om jag fattat de r?tt. och dom har 2 spelare p? 50 ping och serox e v?l nog j?mnlik med moltas 4on4 m?ssigt...

lr du kan v?l iaf whajna p? engelska s? hatiskt s? att dom kan f?rsvara sig =)
piz love n love

#12 2006-10-27 01:45 by mogge (62.20.182.XXX)

Kan ju tro att det ?r znappe som skrivit alla kommentarer n?r det ?r s?h?r mycket whine. EHH

#13 2006-10-27 01:51 by serox (84.12.168.XXX)

english mother fucker, do you speak it? :)

stop speaking kenya.

#14 2006-10-27 02:10 by django (62.194.33.XXX)

yet again.. no whine no glory.. ninja must be strong ;)

#15 2006-10-27 04:18 by plast (83.30.5.XXX)

just as you predicted hagge (big /hug), kippo played and we owned easily =)
on the other hand i predicted comments below this game to be the longest drama-whine of all in eql4 (with my longest post haha /me > all)

haha i dont even need nakos'z posts translated to be aware of the hate aura, it's so obvious, pwn3d

nakoz, you may not be aware of that (and in fact i don't expect you are) but it's very childlish (if not just simply retarded) of you to use your native language for spreading lies and propaganda among your fellow countrymen just because you think i won't be able to understand and aswer to that... but in some way i understand you cause it's common known fact - when one is very excited/pissed he almost always uses native language to get it off's one chest, so if you must, i don't really mind, go on

anyway, childlish scenes by tot before and during dm2 in our last eql game vs them was my personal favourite for the 'most retarded clan behavior' award this season, but you've clearly beaten them up! my sincere congratulations, too bad quite nice people like hagge or nas are in your clan as well and they had to take this shit along with you

lets start from beginning, but this time only truth and in proper language, so everyone can read and understand it well enough if they want to:

1. we scheduled the game a week in advance and on a weekday before 23 cet cause you said you can't ever play later... so, with a heavy heart but eventually we agreed to suffer from floating pings, lags, etc. not pleasent stuff, which happens randomly before 23 cet for most of us, we took that risk having no choice and without your good will

2. 2230cet: the time was up for the game, yet you informed us that one of your player just came so you want to play one 2/2 to warm him up... since we all love hagge we said why not, even if our pings was quite nice on that evening and we could start right away, but whatever

3. 2240cet: we started to gather @wargamez, we had there 4 people in 2 minutes, but you started to try every available qizmo and it took like 10 mins to finally get your 4 people, you were not happy about pings anyway, so then it started

4. 2250cet: we had 20 40 50 50, you had 38 38 38 45, average 40 vs 40, pretty equal; you chose map, we chose map, our map first, ok we all got ready but you didn't... so i asked what's wrong and you said moltas have to reroute due rules and you quoted so called minping-rule out of any context... i didn't know if that's sad joke or what so i responded with my own joke, 'ready or i'll bring admin to settle this and we'll start in 30 mins instead of now'... i didn't expect but you actually agreed! that was out of any logic for me since pings were equal and you earlier said you can't play late, so big delay wasn't what you should've preffered, so either you lied to me earlier or just wanted badly to have better pings than we in that particular game...

after that (http://quakeworld.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1073) discussion i asked admins (by highlander) to give me clear statement reagarding the ping rules and how shall i interpret them, since conclussion from that discussion was quite clear - :don't interprete rules blindly cause it's no use in some situations"

what i got back was information that imperative rules are always:
* "choice of server should be suitable for both clans",
* "minping is something bad and it should be avoided if possible",
* and most of all "admins can however change the rules if they think its unfair in some games, so if u got ping problems call on an admin".

anyway cause i was quite sure ANY admin decision in such situation would be according our way cause none admin is so retarded to allow minping or enforce rerouting when pings are like 20 40 50 55 vs 38 38 39 45, so i sent messages to every available admin at #eql.qw to deal with that retarded situation, ake vader, term and highlander, i'm pretty sure they all may confirm this after checking the logs...

5. 2305cet: none of admins responded so far and you still were delaying the game, you even informed us that you have all night available... so either you lied to us during scheduling the game or just that new information was lie... anyway i informed you that i got screenshots and some recordings of that retarded situation and if any of my players leave before we start i'll ask for wo and provide enough proof to claim it, soon after that one of specs told us admin highlander is on another wargamez's port, so i went there and brought him to our port

6. 2315cet: finally admin decision is made, of course it's the only decision that could've been made in this situation, after 45 min of delay we started the game


i'm aware some of these things may be hard to be accepted by your brain so i'll point them out to help you:

* yes, it's hard to win when you don't have ping advantage like you used to have,
* even if you suck there are still some decent swe clans who got playable pings in poland and MOST OF ALL aren't afraid of playing league games on equal pings anywhere if it's fair (http://qw.fragzone.com/eql1/matches.php?id=69 that game was played in poland for example),
* "so tired of playing vs poles" - it was your first and only game vs polish clan this season and what's more funny i was the only Pole in the game yet we weren't playing on swe server, so you simply can't blame Poles for not having your precious 13ms in sweden in every eql game, it's neither swe-ql nor nordic-ql,
* instead of whining at OUR (rofl) ping buy better connections, moltas is swe and got 20ms at wargamez and 39 in poland, so can you,
* just look at one of the recent games (http://qw.fragzone.com/eql/images/screenshots/212.jpg), neither freedom demanded div0.moltas rerouting nor we demanded div2.valla rerouting, and it's not like 13ms moltas won that game for us, so just learn how2play and then whine if you must,
* look at our other recent games, if you look carefuly you will see that we play every game with ping disadvantage and it's not like we blame 10ms of ping difference for our defeats even tho we could've cause most of them were lost by several frags, yeah i know, you'll call us retards cause we agree to play like that... but that's most funny thing, you actually recommend us using 4 hpb players (there is no problem, i can easily field up 50 50 65 65 ping lineup) and enforce minping 50/rerouting on every and each league game vs you... that would be ok according to the current rules, but do you really preffer ping 50 over 39 ? hey, i may actually try your way in playoffs if we play vs valla again, i'm pretty sure he will like this idea and will thank you for 'best of 5 @ ping 50', thanks for advice man, don't know what we would've done do without you! :D
* your pathetic conclusion that you will call dje to be admin for you in nqr or any other league just says everything about you, but anyway you may be sure that if in any league any admin will favourize any team vs us we won't be part of that league, so calm down, you won't lose another important game due to equal pings, stop biting nails man! :D
* no, i don't have highlander's mother cellphone number althrough i'd like to have since she might be MILF! :D

summary: many may hate /me because i don't allow them to fuck my ass easily (like some other clans do) when it comes to pings, servers and fair conditions in leagues, so please, whine as much as you want but for your own good learn to deal with it or die under my aXe! if ^bg d2^ or even ^bg plast^ helps you in any way, i don't mind, on the contrary, i'd be delighted :D

#16 2006-10-27 04:20 by plast (83.30.5.XXX)

omg my post is longer than blasp's penis!

#17 2006-10-27 08:30 by procent (83.16.238.XXX)

omg plast powoli sie rozkreca ;)

#18 2006-10-27 08:39 by Eta-bETa (81.229.236.XXX)

Murmur. Hagge varf?r vinner du inte? Du lovade ju att inte spela innan du kom hem fr?n Australien... Du ser vad som h?nder!

#19 2006-10-27 08:55 by [DC] - pool (89.78.66.XXX)

gg d2
zrobcie adminem Romana G. i bedzie spokoj...:)

#20 2006-10-27 09:18 by *-/=) (85.24.185.XXX)

plast, please stop saying childlish :)

#21 2006-10-27 09:43 by panczo (87.105.250.XXX)

omg what a childish behaviour from nakoz side, if u wanna blame=whine in comments use english or stfu

#22 2006-10-27 09:47 by hfg (85.23.13.XXX)

kurwa trickery was too much2handle.

#23 2006-10-27 10:31 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)

lol plast, please calm down. :)

eta: hehe jo, men som jag skrev innan.. nas sms:ade ju mig och skrev "IRC!!!! NU!!!!!! VIKTIGT!!!!!" s? k?nde mig tvungen. :(

I can write a post as long as yours plast, but I'm just too lazy to do that. Instead I'm just gonna say: Be. And kippo surely was the man of the game. He has once more proved himself to be the best on dm2. :( And btw, where is billy the kid!?!?? :(

#24 2006-10-27 14:48 by Noel (83.22.1.XXX)

dlaczego oni pisza w swoim kenyajezyku a nam zwracaj uwage zebysmy po angielsku pisali ( moze nie w tych komentarzach ale sa takie ) :E a tak pozatym GG d2 :)

#25 2006-10-27 14:54 by cara (193.201.17.XXX)

It's unfair with one player running around with ~20 ping and the rest 38+, no matter what the avg. ping is. It may not have changed the outcome of the game and I don't symphatize with either clan.

#26 2006-10-27 15:16 by plast (83.30.22.XXX)

hagge: no, you can't write a post as long as mine! billy currently thinks vodka >> qw ;P

noel: musza jakos wyladowac frustracje, zreszta czego innego mozna sie po nich spodziewac, typowa mentalnosc kalego i rasistowskie spojrzenie na sprawy okolopingowe, jak maja przewage pinga to jest ok, jak ich poprosisz o rerouting/minping zeby pingi bardziej wyrownac to jest afera, ale gdy oni sie tego domagaja mimo ze sredni ping jest rowny to wszystko jest wg. nich ok :D

cara: sure it's unfair but from my experience i can tell it's only unfair when it's swe/fin/nor team who got that discomfort, at least it was like that until now.

#27 2006-10-27 15:18 by ?ke Vader (193.10.211.XXX)

ROFL! What a frickin' novel Plast! GG :D

#28 2006-10-27 15:27 by HighlandeR (150.254.194.XXX)

pings:
d2: 25, 39, 52, 60+: avg = ~44
o: 39, 39, 39, 52: avg ~43

25 vs 39 is as unfair as 52 vs 39

overall the pings where even, it's not like 13, 13, 13, 180 vs 50, 50, 50,50 or anything close to it where avg ping is inacurate.

#29 2006-10-27 15:42 by plast (83.30.22.XXX)

ake: i couldn't sleep so i wasted 45min :d

high: "25 vs 39 is as unfair as 52 vs 39"
u r wrong cause math is not everything here:
* of course 39 - 26 = 13 as 52 - 39 is, no one denies it,
* 26/39 is 33% difference, 39/52 is 25% difference, so it's greater percentage loss when it comes to 26/39 than with 39/52, but if you go that way you will see that the difference between 13 and 26 (50%) is even bigger while these pings are almost the same when you play on it...

most players will admit that 'feelable' difference between 26 and 39 is nothing when you compare it to difference between 39 and 52, 39 ms is just like THE BORDER, that must be something with qw physics and net code, it's especially visible when it comes to shaft, @39 you may easily shaft like @26, @52 your shaft will become very unstable, just look at the qw.nu forum minping topic and read all those posts which agree with that thesis :)

#30 2006-10-27 15:45 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)

lol.. didn't know there was someone with 60+?!?!?

and moltas didn't have 25, he had around 20.. the deal was that they had 2 ping better in average and ALSO a guy running around with lanping when we were all on above 38 ms.. the fair thing would've been to set minping 38.. or even minping 33 as we suggested and changed to, but they just refused to agree on it..

anyway, it's not really like I care, I just wanted to present the correct facts. :)

#31 2006-10-27 15:46 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)

well if 38 isn't such a big deal then, why not agree with minping 38 then? :) OWNED PLAST MWHAHAHAHAHA :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

#32 2006-10-27 15:58 by nas (83.226.242.XXX)

lol hagge :D

#33 2006-10-27 16:05 by plast (83.30.22.XXX)

ake: i couldn't sleep so i wasted 45min :d

high: "25 vs 39 is as unfair as 52 vs 39"
u r wrong cause math is not everything here:
* of course 39 - 26 = 13 as 52 - 39 is, no one denies it,
* 26/39 is 33% difference, 39/52 is 25% difference, so it's greater percentage loss when it comes to 26/39 than with 39/52, but if you go that way you will see that the difference between 13 and 26 (50%) is even bigger while these pings are almost the same when you play on it...

most players will admit that 'feelable' difference between 26 and 39 is nothing when you compare it to difference between 39 and 52, 39 ms is just like THE BORDER, that must be something with qw physics and net code, it's especially visible when it comes to shaft, @39 you may easily shaft like @26, @52 your shaft will become very unstable, just look at the qw.nu forum minping topic and read all those posts which agree with that thesis :)

#34 2006-10-27 16:21 by plast (83.30.22.XXX)

lol double post rox, wtf is my new post :D

"well if 38 isn't such a big deal then, why not agree with minping 38 then? :)"

hagge: pls learn to read with understanding?

sure it's not a big deal to switch from 20+ to 39 in general, but it's a big deal to give up this one small and only counterbalance when we have 2x 50+ pingers in our team, i'm sure your big brain is able process that FACT, we didn't want to give you an unfair advantage (WHY WOULD WE?) and we didn't give it, just as simple as it is, no big story behind this and nothing personal.

tbh the only fair solution would be to set minping to 49, this way we all would have ~50 and both teams average ping would be ~50 too, but if we did that you would be raped, so i didn't even care to ask (you wouldn't agree to minping 50 cause you claim you're not used to it and you also claim we are, so that would be such disadvantage to play on equal pings!) nor did you, but next time you may be sure i will, just to get another proof of your peculiar understanding the concept of equal conditions =)

and one more thing, div0.moltas didn't have ping 20, he had floating 18.73 to 27.16 (or even 27.17), depending on which weapon he decided to use and how many nails were flying around

#35 2006-10-27 16:46 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)

18.73 to 27.16? looool? :) I had 38.56395, which is almost 39?!?!?! :( LOL, we said minping 50, but you refused.. bgd2 :(

#36 2006-10-27 16:51 by plast (85.24.185.XXX)

I confess - it was wrong of us to not set minping 39. I want to say to the whole scene that I'm truely sorry and that I will resign from my position as a whiny polish kurwa in my clan d2! :(

noel: chce twoj komputer! jestem ciota komputerowa. :(

ake vader moj najgorszy z najgorszych kolegow, jest sliczny poniewaz jest krowa. :(

co robisz highlander? przestan sie zabawiac z soba i wez sie do roboty!!!

jestem zajebisty, nara!

#37 2006-10-27 17:01 by lib (85.226.146.XXX)

About DAMN time we had a proper dramafest this season. I heartily approve!

And for the record, I'm swedish and think it's retarde dto whine about anything below 40 ms. But I suppose that's why I'll always be stuck trawling the depths or div4 :)

#38 2006-10-27 17:04 by Eta-bETa (81.229.236.XXX)

OMG! Drama? By PSE Productions (polish/swedish/english productions).

#39 2006-10-27 17:32 by plast (83.30.22.XXX)

eql/web admins, pls check ip of that retard who types here under my nick (plast (85.24.185.XXX)) and ban him, will ya? :D

#40 2006-10-27 18:23 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)

he goes under the name kippo on irc :( ban him from eql!!!!!!!

#41 2006-10-27 19:36 by razor (81.231.125.XXX)

seems like the whine/drama has moved from div1 to div2? :)

#42 2006-10-27 21:56 by Hooraytio (212.214.218.XXX)

i think u all suck :(

#43 2006-10-27 23:57 by Vertigo (157.24.219.XXX)

I smell drama! Delicious, enjoyable drama!

#44 2006-10-28 10:02 by Noel (83.22.16.XXX)

Very funny Hagge :<<< but who learn you r give you polish sentences ?! like this --->

noel: chce twoj komputer! jestem ciota komputerowa. :(

ake vader moj najgorszy z najgorszych kolegow, jest sliczny poniewaz jest krowa. :(

? hmm ?

#45 2006-10-28 10:21 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)

dramorama :D the ban of plast makes me so sad. :/ *hug*

dzien dobry noel! o czym ty kurwa mowisz? om jestem zajebisty. polish jestes proste. :D

#46 2006-10-28 10:42 by django (62.194.33.XXX)

where is Link ?

#47 2006-10-28 12:10 by maku (82.143.156.XXX)

the funniest topic ever!

#48 2006-10-28 12:37 by error (213.114.99.XXX)

I disagree plast. I think the difference for shaft between 25 and 38 is VERY pronounced. Imo 13 and 25 feels more alike than 25 and 38. It also depends on what 13 you have of course. 0-2 ping to the server is a lot different from 9-12.

#49 2006-10-28 15:18 by plast (83.30.39.XXX)

lg: my lg goes down 3% when i swtich from 26 to 39 and next 10% when i switch from 39 to 52, and that's @ povdmm4 of coz, which is quite ez too shaft if compared to any other map with shaft like dm3 or cmt's

rl: @26 and @39 it's very easy to lean out of the corner and shot after very short aiming, @52+ it's so much harder, i often shot walls or have to aim longer which leads to death sometimes anyway, you just can't play so aggresive @52+ as you can @40-

generally i feel as if i lost 0.5 div when i switch from 26 to 39 and as if i lost another 1.5 div when i switch from 26 to 52+ and most of people i ask feel similiar =P

#50 2006-10-28 17:21 by Faustov (83.5.148.XXX)

Well, i just had to post something in the longest drama from this eql edition :P

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