#1 2006-11-19 23:40 by HighlandeR (83.20.228.XXX)

nice, this dm2 gave playoffs to zoo

#2 2006-11-19 23:41 by znappe (213.114.242.XXX)

zomg, hot stuff.. first game/prac in 2 weeks and a game that didnt mean anything to us.. but still exciting except from the 20min lockdown @ dm2 8) where was sqz !? :<

#3 2006-11-19 23:53 by lib (213.100.62.XXX)

freedom utan valla ?r som kaffe utan gr?dde

apparently :

#4 2006-11-19 23:54 by Dahmer (213.65.9.XXX)

someone stole my nick and played like shit on dm2

#5 2006-11-20 01:22 by The_Veteran (212.139.132.XXX)

What we have here folks, is one of the most obvious cases of fixed games I've ever seen in the history of QW. "Why?" you might ask. Well, it's quite simple. This game was fixed with the sole purpose of eliminating D2's chances to reach the playoffs. "How can you be sure?" well... I'm a QW veteran and I know a fixed game when I see one. I even went as far as talking to various players spectating this game live and asked them if they noticed anything in particular that could be described as something out of the ordinary. And what can I say... they mentioned things as intentionally missed rocket jumps, strange movement and even Free players actually saying before the game that they were going to let Zoo win a map so they didn't have to, I quote (dahmer I think); "face d2 in the gayoffs". What is important to remember is that I'm not taking any sides here. Some might argue that this was a justified move due to division 2 being so unusually tight this season, and I kind of agree. But hey, I sure as hell never expected Free to be the clan that would make use of this excessively lame method. Free... that is without a doubt the best clan in the division, most definitely only because of one player, Valla. There, I said it.

On a sidenote I must say that I feel sorry for many of the REAL division 2 players participating in division 2 this season that have to face players that are twice as good as themselves. And I'm not only talking about Free in this case, but also USSR that later added Xn, for example. But then there's also LS with TheChosenOne whose presence in division 2 is somewhat questionable. EQL admins, how could you let something like this happen? It's sad, to say the least. The reason I'm writing this is because I think it's very unfortunate that the people praticising this enjoyable game has sunk so low. I mean, QW is nearly 10 years old. Come on guys... playing just for the sake of winning in a 10 year old game, does that sound reasonable to you?

Oh, and by the way, Valla, how come you never attend any LAN's in Sweden? If I didn't know any better I'd say you are hiding something.

The_Veteran, over and out

#6 2006-11-20 01:46 by Ningizzia (213.114.243.XXX)

D2 only have themselves to blame for missing the playoff, they cant fucking count on us to beat a clan 2-0 to give them a spot. Basically, we can play with whatever lineup we want, this game meant nothing for us. I wasnt supposed to play this game at all since I had just came home after 2 hours and 30 minutes of floorball and I told my teammates that. But seeing as DM2, which sure as hell was no set up, didnt go that well I decided to enter since we couldnt afford another map of the same score, which most likely wasnt that certain since we are better on dm3 and e1m2 at least.

And obviously you cant have been into the scene for too long as I have attended plenty of lans. Perhaps not all of them have been major lans.

But so far, a part from the xx local lans we've had in this town I've been to:

Cotslan 2000, Qhlan 3, Qhlan Summer 2004 and a few other smaller lans.

So why am I not attending this years qhlan? Firstly, I've never said never. It all depends on the income of December. Since I study part time I aint gonna get a lot of money in December and blowing most of it on a lan is not really my #1 priority, though we'll see.

Besides, that last comment gave me quite a chuckle, guess I'll have to take another break and let people catch up again?

#7 2006-11-20 01:56 by znappe (213.114.242.XXX)

oh my god haha. seriously, cant stop laughing? that was the most retarded comment ive ever seen, please. the reasons
why valla didnt play dm2 is very simple. first of all he got home from floorballpractise like 10 minutes before the
game so he said he would like some time to chill down and said he could play the second map. the other reason is that
we have an agreement with LS, IF we face them in the finals we will play withouth Valla and they will play without
TheChosenOne to make it a bit more interesting. and since we havent played without valla for a long time we figured
this was a good time to do so since this game didnt mean shit to us. we hade allready won div2 before this game and really
why should we even care about which teams that goes to the playoffs since the playoffs doesnt mean shit either. we
are allready qualified for div1 and therefor we will take the playoff mostly as prac, just as we considered this game to be.
and about this particular dm2, the start was totally fucked since flinta didnt notice that quad had rl so he gave away
our first rl and then it was lockdown after 30 seconds. and with out current shape we couldnt do shit.. so it just ended
in spamattacks against low and tele, thats why we lost so big. dont really think we would have had a chance with valla
on this particular day anyways if u look at the shape the rest of us is in and take the fact that dm2 is our lousiest
map in to consideration.

and regarding the statements that we would have missed rljumps etc on purpose? oh my god! are you for fucking real?
look at the demos from the other maps and spec the players besides valla, we played as bad on all maps. we havent
played anything the last few weeks so its not that weird that we sucked ass!

and about valla hiding something? haha, what the fuck is that about.. are you yellous or something? :) ive been
with valla on two previous qh-lans.. and it's kinda ridicilous that you have to come to lans just to prove that
you arent hiding anything haha.. fucking shit... this is just too much.

and ye btw, d2.. you should have won more maps by yourself. then you wouldnt had to depend on us? ..

#8 2006-11-20 02:03 by znappe (213.114.242.XXX)

another rather amusing fact is that ppl have whined about us having valla all fucking season. but now when he doesnt play we get whine anyway.. zzz :) do you people really know what you want? valla or no valla!? :/

#9 2006-11-20 02:08 by niomic (62.78.239.XXX)

I really can't comment on whether or not Freedom tried their hardest in dm2, but I can comment on a few obvious things:

- Like us, Freedom only needed one map win to stay at the top of the Div and that also affects who they play next.

- We picked dm2 since once we get it rolling, that is clearly our best map in the sense that we can get good frag difference whereas our other good map e1m2 is usually too tight for comfort. I honestly believe we would've taken dm2 even with Valla playing.

- PLEASE note the score on dm3, which Free really wanted to win for that one point at least. 8 frags difference and I had my Mic muted for 17min of the game =)

- Also please note the score on e1m2. Did we get butchered there? Not by any means.

And I would like to clarify that Zoo never asked Free to give us a map. What choices Free did is their business and if they didn't feel like playing after our monster start in dm2, I can see that too (tot - d2 dm2 anyone?)

And for D2. You've played some good games and have some good individuals in your team. Still you have to remember that you won only 4/9 games this regular season whereas Zoo won 6/9. Not even touching the point subject, I think it's very fair that it us instead of you in the semi-finals!

#10 2006-11-20 03:53 by plast (83.13.196.XXX)

games and situations like that make me wonder if there is any decency and honesty these days among qw players.

for several last days we (D2) were wondering if freedom is going to give zoo a map or not, i almost wanted to start taking bets claiming valla is not gonna play one or all maps to let zoo gain that one point cause i didn't believe any swedish clan can miss such opportunity to get rid of polish one, especially when it's all in accordance with the rules.

like you may clearly see now i wasn't even a bit wrong, so i'm neither mad nor disappointed.

the sportsmanship is gone, it's all about cold calculation and eliminating opponent in any way possible following the rules blindly if anyone cares to point some retarded behaviour.

for years we've faced high pings, unfriendly people claiming it's fair to play @20cet with ping 60+ vs ping 13-25 if they are the ones with 13ms, etc. etc. the list is long but now it's even longer, cause situation like that is unprecedented, fixing match to eliminate us, to avoid facing us in the playoffs and all in accordance with the rules...

strong words but only someone without any brain signs can deny - it's QUITE OBVIOUS and whatever you say/type it doesn't really matter cause facts are like that:
- i talked to valla before dm2 started, he was there, claiming he played in every and each game so far so now he's not gonna play cause they (free) already won, "my mates are div2, they can handle zoo at dm2" he added before the game started, there was no word about he's tired or anything, they just added that explanation after the game, but the explanation is very questionable since he played next two maps when zoo already gained missing one point, i guess 20 mins of rest were enough,
- we got screenshot where dahmer is saying to zoo "we've already won.. how about we let you win so we don't have to play d2 in gayoffs".

guys, i really liked you, you were just like one of not many swedish clans that didn't refuse to get pings more even and didn't delay game for an hour cause of pingwhine, i also enjoyed playing vs you, but after this shit i can't tell anything else that i'm typing now. sorry.

sure you could choose any lineup you wanted but at least you could keep up appearances cause the way you did it the stink will remain for long time.

sure we could get more points by ourselves but we weren't so lucky to play vs div4 clan in div2 like zoo were tonight. it's also very easy to lose point or two while playing with floating high ping/packet loss so i'm kinda proud of my boys, we did nice this season regardless of that fixed match by which we were double-crossed and i want to thank all my players for participating in that uneven, rough fight.

this is good lesson for us. i won't dwell more on that, it's eot for me regardless how much pure hate you're gonna pour on me now, i said what i had to say, i'm 100% sure i'm right, my clan is 100% sure and also the people i talked to about it (including some swedes) also share my point of view, so there is nothing further to discuss since it's not gonna change anything, we are out, you are in, you didn't do anything against the rules. and if you feel you did right that's also ok, i don't care from this moment on. we are moral winners and that's what counts, nothing is gonna change that, if the satisfaction of sportsmanship is less important for you than all of this, let it be.


two more things:

zappe: really nice agreement, i can't wait to see div3 vs div4 final in division 2, will be SO MUCH INTERESTING to watch it, 2bad i won't be around to see it :/ but i'll surely download demos!

niomic: i got nothing against you in this case but please don't say you deserved playoffs more than we did. face the facts: you won vs ussr without xn (he was not on their roster and the rest of them were rusty like hell back then) and you got the only point vs freedom from the map valla intentionally missed, you won vs us by 3 frags on dm2 (without serox and with 3 players @65+ ping) and we won vs freedom@dm2 when they had valla so i have no doubts valla would rape you alone on that, face the fact you got 6 (1+3+2) points 'for free' which you wouldn't get by another chance. but if you got any doubts i propose something like that - lets play our own pre-playoff game, best of 5, you pick the day and the winner plays vs freedom in real playoffs. no, cause it's against the rules? plz.

#11 2006-11-20 04:04 by znappe (213.114.242.XXX)

first of all, dahmers statement was a fucking joke.. quite boring if you didnt get that but whatever.

and about the agreement with ls. we just want to point out that playoffs are totally useless in the lower divisions (that's our pov anyways, im not speaking for LS now).. therefor we will do it in a more fun way without the div0-superstars that everyone whined about the whole season.

and really, it doesnt matter what you say. freedom is a clan with 8 players, we field whoever we want, when we want and we really dont have to make any arguments or explanations why we fielded a certain team. and please just understand, we dont give a fuck about the playoffs.. so once again, why should we care about if it's you or zoo that plays in 1 or 2 useless extra games?

#12 2006-11-20 04:11 by znappe (213.114.242.XXX)

and just for the record, we have no problems with you d2.. we had a good time playing you in a real tight game. but just please understand that this had nothing to do with tactics or personal issues.. :/

#13 2006-11-20 04:32 by znappe (213.114.242.XXX)

and ye, one more thing! "moral winners"? we feel exactly the same. we feel that we are wrongfully accused about something we dont even have any interest in what so ever.

#14 2006-11-20 04:50 by plast (83.13.196.XXX)

ok, you may be moral winners if you want and feel so, who cares? not me anyway

and about the playoffs: i don't know what you mean by 'useless extra games', groupstage place is useless, it's only important to end it top four, read the rules, i don't care who goes to div1 and who not but playoff final winner is the division winner and it doesnt matter if he ended 4th or 1st in groupstage..


==
Playoff/Qualifying

Bottom2 teams will automaticly be moved down one division the following EQL. The top4 teams will replay their matches in a qualifying group and the two best teams in it will be moved up one division.
Top4 in each division goes to playoff with best of 5 games directly in the semis!
#1 vs #4 and #2 vs #3!
==

#15 2006-11-20 04:51 by The_Veteran (212.139.132.XXX)

First of all, I want to make it VERY clear that I'm NOT a D2 player, never have and never will be. I'm just an avid QW fan. So all the whine whatever I stirred up should be directed at me and not D2 as a clan. I bet, contrary to what seems to be popular belief, that D2 are great guys. D2 actually seem to be one of the few clans that wants everything to be fair and square, how can people seriously have anything against that? Secondly, if you want me to take you seriously I suggest you stop using cuss words in every other sentence because that's just unnecessary. There are other ways of getting your point across.

Now back to the issue; the fact that Valla didn't play DM2 here is irrelevant, I didn't say anything that could be interpreted in any other way. I admit that it's a bit strange as he has played all the other maps and was on spec at the time. What is relevant though, is that I'm more or less pretty certain, full start or no full start that Free could've put up more of a fight than they actually did (or even win). And having spoken to various people watching this game as I mentioned before, Free did some things during the game (DM2 especially) that could be seen as deliberately playing bad to achieve a certain goal, in this case not having to face D2 in the semifinal. Prac or no prac. Also from what I've heard even Dahmer himself said this before the game, can't get more clear that that. And about that being a joke, well what can I say... there's nothing more fun than the truth. The reason? Probably because they don't want to play with higher ping their usual 12 or 25 ms which is just ridiculous in my opinion, and in some ways could be seen as bad sportmanship. Pretty simple. Like I said, I certainly didn't expect this from Free who have been so keen on winning all their previous matches.

I'll keep the rest short; I have been playing QW on and off since the very day it was released. My nick (The_Veteran) is an anagram. And about Valla not attending LAN's, that's just something I've heard several times from various people, including from big names. Don't whine at the messenger, I just preach what I've heard. About the divisions I was actually one of few people who were very skeptical about this system when it was introduced in 2002 or something. But it turned into a standard instantly, so people had to adjust I guess. HOWEVER, what's the point of having divisions if you can't place people and/or clans in the division where they belong? That's what I'm wondering. There's nothing worse than party poopers making things hard for those actually trying to gain something by playing. Now I'm done!

You know who, over and out

#16 2006-11-20 04:57 by znappe (213.114.242.XXX)

ok, maybe changed rules, wasnt like that in div5 last season anyways :E but that just shows that we really dont care who gets to playoffs 8) so fuck that.. soz then plast, better luck next season, win more games etc :p

#17 2006-11-20 05:02 by znappe (213.114.242.XXX)

well veteran, we have no problem playing with higher ping.. as even plast stated earlier we didnt whine anything about rerouting and minpinging in our game vs them.. so, why should we care really? :) we won last time and we would do it again.. last time we hadnt pracced anything so we lost a map.. wouldnt happen vs d2 with some prac in us. thats fo sho. and the fact remains, how motivated are u to get back from a fullstart when everyone is tired and hangover etc and just want the game to get over with since it was deadline today we still wanted to get it done. better to refocus on the next map instead of getting pissed off on dm2 and thats exactly what we did... and seemingly it was the right decisision since we then won the game and the division. hooray for us!

#18 2006-11-20 05:15 by niomic (62.78.239.XXX)

Please plast, don't make it so hard on me. I really don't care how much we beat the teams we beat, but clear and simple: we won the matches. Same way I could start saying that all our LOST matches were decided by a total of like 30 frags? How about that, or that now we were 8 frags away from 2-0 victory against Free. And please don't tell me that we would've been raped in dm3 if valla played :) You cannot compare different clans' scores against a clan to another because clans play different styles, have their good games and their bad.

Plast can't you simply agree that d2 just didn't manage to win enough games to be in the playoffs. Btw here are our lost maps frags:

d2 dm3
-55

mny e1m2
-2

osams dm2
-17

LS dm3
-90

sm e1m2
-22
sm dm2
-4

[O] e1m2
-3
[O] dm2
-2

Free dm3
-8
Free e1m2
-21

Looking at these scores you will find that we lost four games with 4 or less frags and 8 games with 22 or less frags. So please plast, stop with the what if's. And no, I haven't forgotten that we also won many maps with a close margin.

#19 2006-11-20 05:18 by niomic (62.78.239.XXX)

Of course I meant:
And please don't tell me that we would've been raped in dm2 if valla played :)

#20 2006-11-20 05:18 by znappe (213.114.242.XXX)

winning is the only thing that matters in the end (oh man, how poetic of me...)

#21 2006-11-20 05:24 by niomic (62.78.239.XXX)

Btw. mister Veteran, who exactly is this populace that has said that D2 is not a bunch of great guys? I wouldn't go so far as to saying their all great guys, but generally yes, until reading this stuff from plast now :(

Oh and btw plast, we beat every team except Free in the final top 6, whereas you only beat Osams :) That means that all your other victories were from bottom 4 clans. Do I still need to continue about deserved playoff spot?

#22 2006-11-20 05:39 by niomic (62.78.239.XXX)

And one more thing plast. Valla and/or another Free member stated quite clearly that he's just been playing floorball for ~3h (guess it was 2.5 :) and got back 10min before dm2 started. I don't know if you do any sports yourself, but I can say that I really wouldn't want to step in a game right after that. And like Valla stated, he HAD to play dm3 since they couldn't afford losing it and possibly losing the div victory to LS.

So the tiredness etc. wasn't just made up after the game, all of us (the actual players) were very aware of the situation.

#23 2006-11-20 07:03 by Renzo (193.167.44.XXX)

Oh please, get over it. Fixed games in div2?

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

#24 2006-11-20 08:29 by Hooraytio (212.214.218.XXX)

this was maybe on of the greatest post game whine comment sections this season

#25 2006-11-20 09:28 by dje (130.235.34.XXX)

another perspective to view this from could be:

if the point system was to be changed as the poll suggest (close vote though). zoo would get 19 points and d2 16 points this season. this means winning games (zoo: 6 wins) would mean alot more than losing them 1-2 (d2: 4 wins). its, imho, the current point system that causes div 2 to be "extra tight" and making these teams both end up on 15 points. im not saying a 3-0, 3-1 point system cant be abused though.

although i dont like d2 very much, i dont wish for any team to miss playoff due to a fixed game (although i doubt it was).

finally: congratulations to zoo!

#26 2006-11-20 10:08 by menth0l (212.68.8.XXX)

we're in the playoffs

plast is a faggot

peace out

#27 2006-11-20 11:13 by diki (85.76.253.XXX)

I didnt play in sm game so it was fixed game too?
And for the last. We didnt have mursu or jk on the field.. so its fair to play without valla ;P

#28 2006-11-20 12:03 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)

haha some drama, gotta love it <3 will be fun to read everything when I come home tonight :) <3 free <3 zoo <3 <3 <3

#29 2006-11-20 14:05 by c (217.28.193.XXX)

ok time to end this joke. We (free) have wanted to play this game for like 2 months? just ask zoo they refused to play the game until the last week, so how can you think its fixed? if it was up to freedom this game would have been over for at least 2-3 weeks ago. And one more thing, when we have played the important games (all games except this one), we needed to FORCE valla to actually play because of the fact he plays floorball and is tired on sundays. So now we are facing zoo in the last game we have already won more or less, why should we force valla to play? furthermore we wanted some practice with a team without valla because of the agreement with LS to play a game not including valla or tco. so whats the deal? fixed game? its a joke, and if u want proof i can paste the logs from me talking to jkova about game LONG time ago. :/

#30 2006-11-20 14:26 by serox (195.112.14.XXX)

hmmm....
i dont know what to think about this dm2 game tbh. i find it strange that valla would want to sit out dm2. it must have been on ur mind b4 the games started that if you gave 1 map to zoo it would give them a plac in the playoffs...

guess we will never know unless som1 admited it if it was planned.

#31 2006-11-20 14:29 by Dahmer (213.65.9.XXX)

now we won't have to play a minping 50 whine game with D2!!!

And no it wasn't a fixed game, Zoo got a full start om dm2 and then the ffa started and i myself got bored since we weren't playing for anything really so i just jumped around and made dumb moves like attacking 3 rls myself.

And for the record, we thought about going "kill" f?r 2x20 just to see how much minus score you could get in a game...since we had already won whatever the outcome in this game was. (we clearly didn't try that)

#32 2006-11-20 14:34 by Dahmer (213.65.9.XXX)

man we gotta loose dm2 with 300 in the playoff aswell so it looks like this last game wasn't fixed....shit i didn't mean to type that!

#33 2006-11-20 14:39 by Captain Cats (81.228.231.XXX)

D2: Main screen turn on.
D2: It's You !!
Zoo: How are you gentlemen !!
Zoo: All your base are belong to us.
Zoo: You are on the way to destruction.
D2: What you say !!
Zoo: You have no chance to survive make your time.
Zoo: HA HA HA HA ....

#34 2006-11-20 14:43 by Dahmer (213.65.9.XXX)

Nah seriously, i was trying to stir some shit up there. But that dm2...Zoo could have been 6 points from playoffs and we still would have lost. I know it looks rigged as hell but it really really wasn't.

#35 2006-11-20 14:53 by plast (83.13.196.XXX)

niomic: you want to fight on loses, ok

-3 frags vs zoo @ dm2, we got 1 point (1:2) instead of 3 points (2:0), you get 2 lucky points more, no serox
-33 frags vs ls @ e1m2, we were leading but moltas timeouted so we got 1 point (1:2) instead of 3 points (2:0), no serox
-15 frags vs mny @ dm3, we got 1 point (1:2) instead of 3 points (2:0), two base players didn't come for that game (including serox)
-2 frags vs tot @ dm3, we got 2 points (2:1) instead of 3 points (2:0), just unlucky, tot played well
-34 frags vs freedom @ dm3, we got 1 point (1:2) instead of 3 points (2:0), until 17th minute we were leading but div0.valla made 40 frags in last 3 min case we gave him rl@lag

that's 6 points instead of 15 because of 17 unlucky average frags per map

the only game we clearly lost was game vs ussr but try to play and win with 2 players at 55-65ms floating 90-100 plus packet loss spikes vs div1.xn @ stable 39ms

my proposal about pre-playoff game is actual if ur not afraid :D

#36 2006-11-20 15:01 by razor (81.231.125.XXX)

rofl! i seriously doubt it was a setup, i know valla has sat out games before after his floorballs practices. And you should always be able to win on your own anyways, and not depend on others... congrats zoo

#37 2006-11-20 15:29 by Mursu (85.131.95.XXX)

Yes please lets play a best of 5 on a polish server! Im sure our people are so eager to play it that we have to have some pre pre-playoff qualifications inside our clan :/

#38 2006-11-20 15:29 by menth0l (212.68.8.XXX)

plast: no rematch, we're in the playoffs

we're better than you

#39 2006-11-20 15:34 by menth0l (212.68.8.XXX)

more maps won less maps lost and we won the game between us

its pretty clear who should go to the playoffs in my opinion ?!?

#40 2006-11-20 15:36 by plast (83.13.196.XXX)

ok, i didnt expect anything else anyway :)
ur better, so gl in playoffs

#41 2006-11-20 15:40 by Dahmer (213.65.9.XXX)

If it makes you feel better plast we can play you so you know that you would have been eliminated first round anyway :(

And why the hell does it say we played cmt3?

#42 2006-11-20 15:50 by niomic (212.68.7.XXX)

Plast, stop with the what if's - We won 2 more matches than you and out of the top 6 we beat 4 teams (which includes d2), whereas you beat only one. It does not matter what the circumstances were, you readied up, accepted the scores and won 2 less matches and lost against us. You cannot seriously claim that after these statements you are more titled to be in the playoffs?

And having a rematch between us to decide who goes to playoffs? Why don't we just play the whole div again! I'm sure we can beat O and SM and Free this time around and win the div. And maybe this time we'll loose to some other clans :) The regular season is over. Just because you personally feel that you deserve the playoff spot more doesn't make it so - NO MATTER how tight your games were - only winning counts, even with one frag.

Don't try to make me the bad guy here. If you stop with the what if's and deserved playoff place we can be back to neutral again.

Rest of D2 I still like, especially moltas and kip :)

#43 2006-11-20 16:10 by moltas (217.210.1.XXX)

to be honest we don't give a rat's ass about not making it to the playoffs, sure it would have been fun, but's it's not that important. yes, technically we did depend on free to win this match 2-0 but it's not like we don't have ourselves to blame for not making it any further this season. what free did was a "legal" tactical manoeuver and we would probably have done the same thing if we were the ones in that situation. but what pisses me of is the fact that free don't even have the heart to admit and stand up for what they did, instead they repudiate the obvious for reasons unknown. clearly people can't be that stupid that they actually think it's a coincidence that the ONLY map this season valla didn't play also is their biggest loss AND ends up being the one single map that costs us the playoffs. claiming anything else is just disrespectful towards us. or zoo for that matter. i mean... just admit it... jeez.

#44 2006-11-20 16:21 by niomic (212.68.7.XXX)

Moltas
- this was the first match that didn't really matter that much to Free
- losing that bad was a combination of our massive start and them not really giving a shit about one map
- and you should consider that not giving a shit almost meant they lost 2-0 if we play plast's what if game - what if I had my mic on for the first 17min :)

I'm really sorry that so many ppl feel so strongly that this was nothing but a set up game. But I realize I can't change that now :/

#45 2006-11-20 16:47 by KIPPO OF D2 (88.115.3.XXX)

hey ppl. plz. really :)

#46 2006-11-20 16:51 by Dahmer (213.65.9.XXX)

if only USSR would have sucked so we could have a nordic 13/25ms playoffs!!

The div2 final will be intresting if it's LS-Free because we're playing without valla and they without TCO.

And no it wasn't our intention to loose...i told valla to play 10 times but he was eating and wanted us to play dm2 first so he could play dm3 after.

I must admit tho that i was playing on 10%, but as i stated earlier it was because they got a good start, i was not feeling like playing a serious game and i didn't try very hard. Too bad it had to lead to this but...whatever.

And we were joking about giving the win to Zoo, i thought we needed to loose the entire match aswell until i noticed before e1m2 that zoo just needed 1 map for playoffs, so i congratulated them.

wha-eva

#47 2006-11-20 16:52 by c (213.65.178.XXX)

seriously im getting angry here. it was no fucking setup are u stupid? i didnt even know A SHIT about what happened to zoo or d2 if we lost or not, only thing i knew was that we needed one point to be 10000% sure that ls couldnt take 1st place, do you seriously believe we sit and count the scores for other teams? what do we care about the other teams..

Here is a log i took to show the admins if there would be any dispute with zoo since they refused to play the games earlier:

Session Start: Sun Oct 29 16:56:05 2006
Session Ident: #elintarha
[14:19:16] * Now talking in #elintarha
[14:19:16] * Topic is 'p?iv?n el?in: l?pp?kerttu :-D'
[14:19:16] * Set by Leppis^Zoo on Fri Oct 27 07:43:17
[14:19:19] <free`c> eql tonight?
[14:34:38] <JKova^tF> it's not the last week yet
[14:40:03] <JKova^tF> free`c: how many times you guys have to be told that we're not gonna play against you
before the prescheduled week
[14:40:15] <free`c> why?
[14:40:18] <JKova^tF> because.
[14:40:25] <free`c> anyway
[14:40:28] <free`c> lets set a date then
[14:43:23] <free`c> how about 13/11 21-22 something?

do you still believe it was a setup? why would we like to give zoo advantages after this lame behaviour...

#48 2006-11-20 17:14 by plast (83.13.196.XXX)

keep claiming black is white and white is black, maybe when you reach #100 post someone eventually will start to believe

#49 2006-11-20 17:16 by c (213.65.178.XXX)

plast: why do you believe we care if you or zoo reach the playoffs? i think u are kinda egocentric, we only care for our own points, and u are an easier opponent than zoo so why would we like zoo instead of you?

#50 2006-11-20 17:21 by JKova (193.166.13.XXX)

without paying any attention to the game itself, what is said about us refusing to play the game before the very last day is true.

the game was prescheduled for the final week, and our plan was to prac as much as possible during the 2 week break we had in our eql schedule (dunno why). They came knocking on our door many times, and always the answer was no without any explanation why, really.

i'm quite sure that Freedom didn't feel like helping us out to reach the playoffs after receiving that kinda behavior from our (my) side for several weeks. or, if they did, they must hate D2 an awful awful lot.

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