Regular season has ended! Important information!
2009-04-27 00:20 byAfter 10 long weeks of a lot, really a lot of great games the EQL9 group games has come to an end. As we stated pre-season and what has been stated in rules is that not playing all of your games will be punished by point deductions. As you will see this particilarly strike one team in division 1...
Before this season started, we were discussing how we would get rid of the almost standard inactivity that hits the scene mid-season of tournaments. We figured at first we could use point deductions only, and this was our first solution. We soon came to realise that, even though it might work in theory, it wont work that simple in reality. So we made it that way that WO's are still given out like the old system and combined it with point deductions which now became final solution.
As stated in rules; giving WO to another team will works as usual, with the addon that the team giving the WO will face a deduction of 1 point. Unfortunately for the scene, this affected especially Bear Beer Balalaika in division 1 pretty hard. 3B lost 3 points (the game between SD and 3B is voided due to both teams being inactive), making them end up on 10th place and missing playoffs.
In the situations where 2 active teams have been unable to field 4 players at the same time to play their game, games will end 1-1 giving 2 points to each team. (points from a 2-0 map-win (3-1 in points) got 2-2 in points in other words).
Division 1 - Quarter-finals:
#1:
the Viper Squad vs. 
Axemen#2:
Druidz vs. 
Dies
Ater#3:
Slackers vs.
Quakeklan#4:
Clan Malfunction vs. OblivionDivision 2
Since BLT, Axemen2 and PHC have stopped playing, but played enough games to not get kicked, their remaining games have been declared to be walkovers. The only interesting, unplayed game between two active teams was TOC vs SSC which have been judged a draw giving each team 2 points. This is because both teams have asked each other to play on several occasions but for varioues reasons have been unable to get the game played.
Division 2 - Quarter-finals:
#1:
Demolition Crew vs. Bukkake
Samurai#2:
Fraggers United vs. Satanic
Slaughter Clan#3:
Apocalypse 2000 vs. Chosen#4:
Segfaulters vs. Clan
Metally TroopersDivision 3
In this division 4 teams ended up being inactive at the end of the season, three of these had enough played games to not be removed. The 4th team AMFW only had 5 played matches, but we kept the team in for historical reasons.
Division 3 - Quarter-finals:
#1:
Quinas vs. Tactical
Powerless Amebas #2:
Boomstick Ownator`s vs. In a
Blaze#3:
Comfortably Numb vs.
Bloodpunch#4:
BaconMen vs. 
Fallen
AngelsAtm we are done working with all divisions, provided the information we've been given. If something has been done wrong, you have to contact us ASAP and provide information to back up your statement.
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#1 2009-04-27 00:55 by riosatiy (83.253.102.XXX)
Nothing against our norweigan frieds(and m0lle + sassa).
But how did Axemen get wo vs 3b?
Because they have been active again the last few days? :)
#2 2009-04-27 01:08 by riosatiy (83.253.102.XXX)
Ok I just realized something that I think is kinda sick.
(YES I feel sorry for the russians that they are not in the
playoffs).
Quakeklan 8played - 2 wins, 2mapwins (thats fine)
Dies Ater 8played - 1 win
The Axemen 7played - 0 wins
3b 7played - 5 wins, 1mapwin (against tVS, not that it
matters pointwise)
sorry but I just felt something is wrong and needed to say
it.
#3 2009-04-27 07:46 by B1aze (95.24.185.XXX)
Lol.
The ONLY team who asked about game was Druidz. OK. I want to
report few WOs too. For example we asked Sd to play for
ages.
#4 2009-04-27 08:00 by B1aze (95.24.185.XXX)
We wanted to play as late as possible only vs tvs, drz and
sr, be course we wanted to be in better shape. Vs all others
we play as soon as possible. Just for example: tried to play
few times vs wait-we-check-if-kp-awake clan right after they
another eql game. And that particular situation is
hilarious.
#5 2009-04-27 08:50 by Kwibus (62.41.97.XXX)
Oh oh tough decision for the admins. Coz who are you going
to believe now?
#6 2009-04-27 08:56 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)
sometimes you just need to play your eql games instead of
playing pracs instead.. it's not like you have to be in best
shape ever to play a game in eql
#7 2009-04-27 09:06 by VVD (194.186.53.XXX)
fog, you are LOL man!
Again WOs by activity in last day. :-D
This is the 1st nominant in "Ugly decision awards" in QW in
2009... :-\
#8 2009-04-27 11:31 by B1aze (212.5.80.XXX)
Hagge, we played vs all teams who want to play vs us (except
DRZ :( ).
#9 2009-04-27 11:38 by blAze (83.102.10.XXX)
At least Axemen has been inactive most of the season. I
think it's questionable to give them wo over 3b.
That said, many teams managed to play all the games so
getting into playoffs was in everyone's own hands. You can't
really complain if u managed to play only half of the games
or less.
#10 2009-04-27 12:01 by reppie (80.101.104.XXX)
ouch tough call i guess! hard to know who to believe, but
deep down it feels right ;)
now on to playoffs! GL/HF everyone!
#11 2009-04-27 12:23 by murdoc (89.146.31.XXX)
gl hf ;)
#12 2009-04-27 12:34 by JohnNy_cz (78.128.193.XXX)
It's worth of explaining why oeks deserved w.o. against 3b
really. Also looks like 3b questions w.o. against one of the
admins' clan? Should be explained too.
#13 2009-04-27 13:34 by Rikoll (158.36.203.XXX)
Hard to say who deserves what really. I cant say neither 3b
or Axemen did a great effort to schedule the game, but at
least we tried two times more than 3b (who didnt try at all
and didnt even reply to our msgs on IRC). So who should get
the WO then? A team who at least did a halfhearted attempt
to get the game played, or the team whos probably better and
probably would have won but did no effort to get the game
played at all and didn't even answer to our attempts to get
the game played. (no hard feelings here 3b, i think you are
a bunch of great players!)
#14 2009-04-27 13:41 by JohnNy_cz (78.128.193.XXX)
"we played vs all teams who want to play vs us" .. so they
are lying?
#15 2009-04-27 14:05 by riosatiy (213.115.175.XXX)
My biggest concern isnt really the w.o given to axemen vs 3b
(even tho I think its questionable) but the fact that two
teams who has been about equally active (counting the whole
season) and played 7games each.
I question the system that give a team who has won 0 games
vs one who has won 5.5 the playoff spot based on WO only. I
think there is a flaw somewhere.
I wont cry, because Im not the ones affected by this
personally. But I hope that there might be some thinking
about this atleast. If this is final, then for next season.
#16 2009-04-27 14:12 by Trygve (80.202.72.XXX)
Again with the zero wins:) Axemen vs quakeklan 2 - 0!
#17 2009-04-27 14:32 by fog (130.235.229.XXX)
Let me explain the situations:
First this johnny_cz:
"we played vs all teams who want to play vs us" .. so they
are lying?"
-Short answer: Yes they are. Read more later.
"It's worth of explaining why oeks deserved w.o. against 3b
really. Also looks like 3b questions w.o. against one of the
admins' clan? Should be explained too."
I can only recall one time that 3B has asked us to play when
we couldn't for some reason. If people feel like digging
deeper, please go find ServeMe-spams from several weeks back
from everyone in Quakeklan. I have joined #qw.ru asked 3B
for EQL for several weeks without an answer. I've got no
answer from any 3B people at all most times, one time if I
remembered right B1aze responded that they couldn't play. I
talked to other clans that hasn't been able to get an answer
from 3B either, and everyone says the same: "We can't get a
hold of 3B nor scheduale a game with them". 3B is just
pissed because their plan to only play necessary games to
get into playoffs didn't work this time. PLAY YOUR GAMES AND
THIS WON'T HAPPEN.
Regarding Axemen vs 3B: Axe lost a couple of members
midseason, but i've been in contact with them and they have
been trying to solve the situation. At last we agreed to
merge Axe#1 and Axe#2, and they have showed us that they
wan't to play, something 3B hasn't done at all, not even
responding when trying to get a hold of them. If new
information gets up here we could discuss another solution
depending on what Axe and 3B says about the situation.
It's funny the stuff you are coming up with now B1aze. You
say the following:
"The ONLY team who asked about game was Druidz."
"Vs every one else we play as soon as possible"
"we played vs all teams who want to play vs us"
Who do you wanna fool, seriously? Several clans as i said
has come to me telling me they can't get a hold of you! And
I tried myself to get a hold of you and I haven't been able
to reach you at all. That's fact.
And jfyi: I'm NOT alone responsible for these decisions.
#18 2009-04-27 14:43 by blAze (83.102.10.XXX)
For next season I recommend QNC style scheduling for
groupgames. That should put an end to all this hassle.
#19 2009-04-27 15:10 by Jimo (213.50.73.XXX)
I feel sorry for 3B, really wanted to see them play in
playoffs atleast, and i think im not talking for myself :(
#20 2009-04-27 16:02 by bps (83.140.61.XXX)
agree with blAze, I mean how hard can it be to schedule a
game?
3b's lack of ability to schedule is beyond beyond :(
#21 2009-04-27 16:11 by goblin (85.226.73.XXX)
You all know it, just keep it going, more kisses to all of
us! *HUGH*
#22 2009-04-27 16:53 by random noob (83.216.56.XXX)
I really wanted to see 3B in the playoffs :(. Next time, u
need an admin in your team 3B... and this wont be happen
#23 2009-04-27 17:03 by deus (139.18.248.XXX)
uh oh here we go...
#24 2009-04-27 17:04 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)
random noob - or they just need to play their games,
wouldn't that just be easier? :)
#25 2009-04-27 17:25 by soma (134.130.51.XXX)
At this point I'd just like to say that I thought it was a
good season and that I don't remember ever having enjoyed
EQL that much. Kudos to the admins! And now I'm hoping for
some hot playoff-coverage!
As for the WOs: I feel sorry for 3B, but those are the
rules, and the rules have been up for 10 weeks. That should
be long enough to deal with the issue.
#26 2009-04-27 17:40 by Kwibus (213.46.205.XXX)
Once again, tough call for the admins. I can understand it
tho. All season I hear people having trouble contacting 3b
or scheduling with 3b. I really wanted to see them in
playoffs, but it's allready obvious 3b was mainly busy
ending up in the right spot of their division to play the
weakest opponent and avoid the top3 aslong as possible.
That's something blaze said himself in the comments of their
game vs slackers.
Really too bad. Just play your games...
Besides that I like to 2nd soma. Best EQL season i've
experienced so far. The big divisions were a great choice.
Div3 was very active, with ofcourse a few exceptions we (cn)
managed to play against anyways.
Looking forward to playoffs.
#27 2009-04-27 18:35 by m0lle (85.225.86.XXX)
3B no English!
I both tryed at server when they praced, and i tryed in
#qw.ru to contact them .. both with our old and new team..
but not even an answer at any time ..
I also feel bad for 3B but if you put /ignore /no english at
1 you will end up like this!
Looking forward to our game vs TVS! ;)
#28 2009-04-27 19:44 by Hagge (85.24.185.XXX)
yeah, kudos to the admin for a great season.. agreeing about
the stuff about best season of eql ever! \o/
#29 2009-04-27 19:49 by Skillah (77.166.55.XXX)
gg admins. We play all our games but don't make it too
playoffs because you decided to give 13 w.o.'s in the last
minute. So I guess it's better to not play your officials
and hope some clans get idle so you can take easy w.o.
points near the end? I should remember that for the next
time. Great way to promote the activity of the scene. Keep
it up.
#30 2009-04-27 19:54 by B1aze (95.24.185.XXX)
OK. Since 3b haven't own channel, I judging by privmsgs
sended to B1aze. And if i remember correctly only DRZ asked
about game and we didn't play. We didn't waste our lives in
irc and if you expecting to be in irc why didn't you answer
to my 100x .qw about scheduling/playing eql game? Seems like
i spend to much time to this game and community :( . Bye.
#31 2009-04-27 20:01 by bps (85.224.54.XXX)
lol
hard to start an IRC channel.
well, hf
#32 2009-04-27 20:16 by marklar (91.153.174.XXX)
+1 for fixed schedule (sunday evenings)
and btw, 3b lists #qw.ru as their irc contact :D
#33 2009-04-27 20:22 by fog (85.235.31.XXX)
It's really unfortunate Skillah that it looks that way. If
all clans would have played their games this wouldn't have
been necessary.
You managed to get a hold of all clans and play them, but
those who didn't get a hold of them because they went
inactive. Should they get punished by other teams deciding
to not play?
B1aze: Your contact-channel says #qw.ru and i guess that's
were people have been asking. But as you still want to keep
on lying, here is one log-file from where i privmsged you
without answer:
Session Start: Tue Apr 14 17:30:39 2009
Session Ident: B1aze
17:30:41 <fog>EQL tonight?
Session Close: Tue Apr 14 17:30:42 2009
#34 2009-04-27 20:48 by willgurht (85.229.238.XXX)
unless qw-community goes for fixed schedule games, i think
it could be usefull for WO considerations, if teamcaptains
and admins had a 'message board' where they can log whatever
attempts that had been made to get the game played.
#35 2009-04-27 21:54 by deus (88.74.166.XXX)
#34
yea i was thinking that some kind of 'message board' or
'scheduling section' with a login could help with this kind
of drama.
#36 2009-04-28 06:00 by boyda (62.113.163.XXX)
this is how you reward active teams, wierd..
#37 2009-04-28 06:52 by spec (77.79.145.XXX)
Really interesting if axeman was so active that got 3 wo's
from 3b, sd and hipps then why they lost by wo to dies ater?
Something is really wrong with it. And why so active clan as
quakeclan which got 2 wo's from (again) 3b and hipps couldnt
gather up to play against SR? Instead of it they got
absolutely free 2 points which they never could get from
real game vs SR.
#38 2009-04-28 10:27 by deviz (88.195.27.XXX)
this is pure bs imo.. we were first clan (pipedope) to play
all our matches and we were hanging over the playoff-line
until admins gave free wo's to clans who didn't see the
trouble of schedule their games.. gg qq kk
"this is how you reward active teams, wierd.." idd
#39 2009-04-28 10:36 by Ihminen (195.148.49.XXX)
For my point of view 3B has been much more active than
quakeklan or axemen... But you can't just wait someone to
come to ask the game. You should try to do some effort
yourselves too.
And everyone laughed when i tried to get our games played as
soon as possible :E. Im glad it wasnt us sharing that 7
played games.
#40 2009-04-28 11:29 by Hooraytio (89.160.23.XXX)
even tho i can agree about some of the WOs being strange i
cannot agree with the idea that clans like fusion and
pipedope should be in the playoffs.
why?
it is ofcourse great that you played all your games in a
timely manner but what is the other option with the unplayed
games? remove the idle clans? then your games and
subsequently your points will be removed too.
and in all honesty fusion won 1 game vs hips and took 4 maps
in 1-2 losses. the rest of the games they lost 0-2.
pipedope won 4 games and lost 9.
so, lets say we remove hips then fusion get 0 wins
pipedope won vs nafianna which was nice, vs amwf which could
have been removed, vs mofos which all clans won against and
vs inablaze which ended in 7th spot.
do you really think that the performance of these 2 clans,
alltho very active, was good enough to reach playoffs? i am
inclined to say no.
let me ask you a question: is it fair that some clans get to
play all their games before 3-4 clans find out that they are
going to lose all their games and loses interest after 5-6
games?
the other clans that didnt get to play them have no chance
of getting those points and it is not like they havent
tried. i bet you would be upset too if your clan had 3 games
left to play but those clans had already given up on
playing
fusion and pipedope where in playoff spots solely because of
having played all their games because it was sure as hell
not a result of playing good as the statistics show...
#41 2009-04-28 12:33 by batfink (212.113.204.XXX)
nuff said.
sorted by hagge0r
#42 2009-04-28 12:54 by Zalon (87.63.202.XXX)
Regarding pipedope, I don't really follow how they would
have managed to be in the playoffs.
There was 3-4 teams in div3 that for some reason stopped
playing mid season, amfw, doom, dc and partly fian.
Out of those, only amfw was below what is considered minimum
played games, so we could have chosen to remove them.
However to keep the games that they did play, we didn't
delete the team.
But if we had deleted the team instead of giving out wo's,
Pipedope would, still be getting a 9th place. And thats
without giving any wo's at all, all unplayed games set to
void.
So I'm sorry to say it guys, but you were never in the
playoffs. And we didn't cheat you for a playoff spot.
#43 2009-04-28 14:55 by deviz (88.195.27.XXX)
atleast we were intrested getting to playoffs and played
enough games to get over the line..
#44 2009-04-28 15:03 by deviz (88.195.27.XXX)
and we got our best line up to our last matches which we all
won.. i guess we should have been idle for first 7weeks or
so.. this just isn\'t something i would say that would
motivate to play ur games as soon as possible..
#45 2009-04-28 15:20 by deviz (88.195.27.XXX)
and fyi we are div3 top3 or atleast top5 clan with our best
lineup (for someone who said something about us not being
good enough).. but enough qq..
#46 2009-04-28 15:26 by Hooraytio (89.160.23.XXX)
still u didnt manage to win that many games?
it is hard to get all clans to play but the main thing here
is that some clans give up halfway through and it is not
much we can do about except encourage them to keep playing.
to the clans that played all games: would you rather have us
remove the clans that you played, got points versus but then
stopped playing so that the other clans couldnt play them or
give the remaining clans wo? besides, since you played all
clans maybe you should have won vs some of the active clans
too in order to stay inside of the top8? if your team played
all games and got the majority of your wins from the bad and
subsequently idle clans, then dont you think that the top8
clans would have won vs them too?
or how can you otherwise explain that your clan won vs them
but didnt win versus enough of the top clans to reach
playoffs?
imo its pretty clear that the clans above you would have won
vs those clans too rendering your clan outside of the
playoffs anyway
finally, idling for 7 weeks would just have gotten you
kicked out or forced to accepting walkovers since the active
clans would have asked you enough times to make that
happen... not playing your games would not have helped you,
you did your best but sadly it was not enough. gl next time
#47 2009-04-28 17:42 by fog (85.235.31.XXX)
3b-SPEC:
"Really interesting if axeman was so active that got 3 wo's
from 3b, sd and hipps then why they lost by wo to dies ater?
Something is really wrong with it."
If you would have read above regarding Axemen-3B, i've
already stated why, and what do to about it if new
information gets up. So if there is something to tell us,
then do it now.
SD and HIPS are 100% inactive and won't play any more games
at all. That's why clans got WO from them, nothing
strange?
"And why so active clan as quakeclan which got 2 wo's from
(again) 3b and hipps couldnt gather up to play against
SR?"
I've been asking hips for game since day 1 of EQL, they have
never been able to play. QK-3B, yeah, check ServeMe-spams
and i've posted a log-file from a time im asking B1aze in
priv above..
(B1aze keep on saying noone asked him about games...) Either
you ignored when we and others asked to play, or you were
inactive, same result.
"Instead of it they (qk) got absolutely free 2 points which
they never could get from real game vs SR."
2 points = 1map won. Possible or not, who knows. We have
been trying to scheduale with SR for weeks, and them with
us. When SR have been 4 people, we have only been 3. And
when we have had 4 people they haven't been able to play.
This has been the way for several weeks. That's the reason.
And just for your information, the reason we sticked with
1-1 (2-2 points) was that the system on the page worked that
way. We had plans to make it only 1-1 in points, but after
checking the scores etc we saw that it would NOT change
anything in standings at ALL, therefor save us some work
with not having to remake scripts etc.
All your questions answered I think.
#48 2009-04-28 18:11 by deviz (84.251.205.XXX)
#46 as i said we got our best line up at the end of the
season.. and we were active trough the whole season and had
only those clans left.. inc nafianna..
basicly what i'm saying that with this system there is more
sense to play only games that u will win and let admins give
you possible free wo's than trying to win all games and get
activity points.
and how can you say that we wouldnt have belong to playoffs
when we were over the line when the season ended? in div3
there was no difficulties getting the games played in time
if u even tried. clans who wanted to get to playoffs were
over the line..
imo its pretty clear that this is not the way to go if you
want to promote clans to play all their games..
and i'm not gonna post comments about this anymore.. those
who got my point got it.. and my point wasn't really that we
didnt get to playoffs..
#49 2009-04-28 18:27 by Kwibus (213.46.205.XXX)
I can understand that it feels wrong that if you played all
your games and your above the line while some teams who
didn't play all their games, but due to wo's still got above
you feels sore.
We (cn) were pretty much only able to play on saturday and
sometimes sunday and still we managed to play all our games.
Except vs nafiana who could play us, but simply declined
after some drama in their previous games.
#50 2009-04-28 18:28 by Kwibus (213.46.205.XXX)
ps, what i'm trying to point out is that it really shouldn't
be too hard to have played all but maybe 1 or 2 games.
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