Atleast all pingwhine for the final have already been solved :D

Well I don't know what your talking about Ihminen, I don't see it that way your discribing it, or it has never occured to me that we have suddenly picked someone else to prac against when you have asked AND we haven't had a semifinal vs you, but whatever.

I would personally laugh at Skillahs joke because that's just what it is, a joke. I'm sure if we had people he would've said yes, but instead he pulled a joke, you don't have to come to our channel and single us out for your prac opponent everyday, you know that? You can just .qw prac? and if we got 4 people that are up for the task we'll agree on it.

So with that said, you can still challenge us for a prac in the future, I still stand by the fact that we play anyone, and the fact that we probably praced you more than any other clan proves that fact, if we have dropped pracs vs you or not shouldn't matter, I'm sure every single clan that is active have done that.

Yep, I'm also ready to call it even any time and just play some Quake.

I feel love is in the air...

Bring your popcorn, I smell a tVS-Fusion prac tonight! Be

#102 nitram
"You can just .qw prac?"

Its harder for us... almost noone replies to our .qw prac messages.
We do that almost every day. You have now replied for it like twice... during the years. You play almost every day.
You have played prac 8 times vs tvs after the summer.

nope. 7 times. last one was the eql

Ihmi plz. Why cant u stop it

#105 i hope to watch that!
for the record this season was superb, so dont blow it for some minor reasons.. i Hope to watch a great final! =8)

We are all here to have fun, so lets make it that way?

Wrong dib - we're here to WIN!!!

You forgot (c) blAze after that comment Ake Vader =)

with tVS dominating so hard for years, why do they need to prac so much? :)
It's the other teams that need the prac!
I said it before, with teams having sub-optimal lineups most of the time, because they have more players, it's quite natural not wanting to play the very best team all the time, just because they have 4 ready constantly.

Whenever you actually do have more suitable lineups to prac with against other div1 clans, you also don't get denied prac as much. It's just that simple. But you said yourself "you can't be bothered with having players you don't think are superstars, cause you want to be the best only". Well surprise, that comes with a prize.

"why do they need to prac so much?"

To stay on top of course. :)

But actually it's just impossible to stay interested in the game with this amount of play. It's so close to not playing at all, that you just might not play at all then.

Actually we have been thinking about not signing up to any leagues and just playing pracs after this one. At least then no one should have any silly reasons not to take the best practice available!

This is one hell of an epic flamewar. Long time ago this happened. Reminds me of the 90s and early 00s. Allthough back then it was much more nerdy with "You have no life" accusations all over the place.

I think both tvs and fusion should realise this is quite a bs flamewar though. Grow up. I understand tvs which likes to play a lot is fed up with not getting MUCH pracs, but I'm afraid being the best comes with a price. All the best clans in the past had difficulty getting pracs.

I don't play qw anymore. I'm only here for the show and I really enjoy following the leagues and watching some top games.

For people like me, who enjoy QW for the 4on4 matches with decent teamplay - what reasons are there left to play for when you only get to play 10 maps per season?

None, and that's why I'm leaving this fucked up scene even though I'll probably think of QW as the best game ever.

Well it has allways been a problem, but I can't recall anyone except TVS making such a big fuzz about it :) And frankly im getting a bit tired of hearing of it.
Who exactly is denying you prac except F? (in case they did).
Other clans except SD and SR doesn't even count cause they can deny prac vs SR/SD/F too and choose to play a more equal opponent, which I personally can understand.
You seem to have such proffessional expectations of a scene where most just plays for fun and the activity just isnt high enough. You won't ever get pracs 24/7.
You either have to choose as it is now and play sd/sr once in a while and maybe some occasional other prac vs less good teams, and stay as a the absolute top-team.
OR join a lesser good clan and you will get plenty of pracs.

Perhaps we (or others) didn't make such a fuzz about it because it was never quite taken to such extremes as nowadays, when top teams rather spend _hours_ to look for another opponent and on top of that mock you for not getting prac. Also the scene is so thin nowadays that when a couple of clans play this silly no-pracs game, then like XantoM says there is nothing left in the area of quality 4on4.

I don't need a bad clan to play with donkeys, there's mixeds for that. :)

"You seem to have such proffessional expectations of a scene where most just plays for fun"

Actually we would just like to play and have fun, it's the rest who take it so seriously that they rather not play (and have fun) because they're afraid to lose or are calculating that by not playing they somehow they have better chances in some official game (very questionable theory on itself btw and didn't seem to work that great for F).

And it was not only the fact that fusion did boycott us. It was all the laming that it included.
And now they still after the season are laming and somehow trying to deny the boycott..why? Praccing 6 times vs us in the whole season and then trying to explain here how they did play vs us always when they had their a-team and we asked. Or that it only needs ".qw prac" and they come to ask pracs.
Why say such things when in reality they have come and ask us prac only once or twice in during the years, it clearly doesnt work.
Other teams did handle the situation always by saying that they rather play vs some less skilled teams or just said no. Didnt need any laming to do that, although we still ended up with no prac =)

I dont think it is that much more extreme today, it has for a very long time been ~4 topclans playing mostly each other.. all other clans has allways been very hard to convince to play cause many of them can loose with 0-500 and I can understand they won't find that fun. I mean this season brought in many div2 clans in div1, ofcourse the absolute top-team will have trouble to prac them.

You mention the F situation again but did anyone else do it too? did SR do it?
At least SD didn't do it as far as I know, many times it feels like the only clan we play is you guys cause you are allways looking for prac whenever we are gonna play. I had the same feeling with enigma as well :)

I just feel it's a little bit exxagerated and not really a thing to QUIT playing over..
Your needs is just way too high for this type of community.. :) There isn't enough hungry/active players that want to improve their teams and keep playing TVS and loose 0-500 for the first 50 games before they can have a chance.

Please cut the 500-0 bullshit, we haven't won with those scores for years. And if we did, it was official games vs the very bottom teams, never in prac.

It might be hard for you to understand, since you haven't experienced it for 3 years in a row. It's kinda like telling a starving african kid that it ain't that bad being hungry comparing it to yourself being a little bit hungry between lunch and dinner.

There comes a point when enough is enough.

i ofcourse didn't mean 0-500 litterally, but you ARE raping lesser good teams that just don't think that is fun..

well I have experienced alot of times during the years when it was extremly hard to find pracs, I dunno if it ever was to the same extent to as it is for you guys now, but I have pretty good imagination so ye I think I can fill in the rest..
and I still feel you are exxagerating the whine about it.

You might have pretty low "ask for prac/get prac" ratio, but I bet you are still top3 in amount of pracs in most seasons the last years.

Sure in a perfect world the ones that asks the most for prac should get most pracs but for the top-team that will never be the case.. just face it :)

No one's talking about lesser good teams razor. What I think is exceptional nowadays is that top teams are literally boycotting one team. I get not playing your next playoff opponent, but when it goes on whole season long, year after year, it's just ridiculous.

tvs will not quit, xantom will probably leave and Darkki wil join tvs... wanna bet?

Hummm free money...

I can bet. Whats the bet that tVS wont play in EQL pro or EQL 13? 100 € sounds good for me.

I think that's called insider trading, Diki :E

im speechless. you are both stupid.

just as I thought of saying that cMF probably will rise again, fix enter the flames :)

Prac only won't give you any achievements on your wiki page! :D

Agree fix, so back to WoW, cataclysm is out up to 85 and gank/tank and spank!

Orka WoW...

Please, English only Hooraytio. Just because you're an admin doesn't mean you can do whatever you want Be

did u guys know that the worlds best WoW guild used to be a quakeworld clan? Yes, i'm speaking about Paragon, actually they've one cmf player (Zhinn) in their roster. And I remember the core members (Sejta & Co) from old days when >P after your qw name ment that you were a really good player.

Sejta? As in Seitana? Oh man, he was a hoot.
~~QWTF chat~~

Go and talk WoW in a WoW forum :(

Just tell the WoW-quakers to stop WoWing and start QWing again. I think we have a lot of former quakers in the WoW community :)

Oh, a new WoW expansion. Now you need to grind an additional 5 levels before you can start to grind again until the next patch comes and all your shit is worthless and you start to grind all over again. The endless joy of WoW.

And what a goldmine for bli$$ard

stupid game..

I actually dont know. I have only watched others play and it didnt look like fun. Watching and playing are usually very different though. :)

Also, I would probably spend too much time on it if i tried to thats my main reason for not trying no matter how fun&good it might be! :)

it is fun! i play alot of wow but i still play qw 3-4 times a week

I played a lot of Everquest 2 and a bit of WoW, but nowadays if I try it I always wonder wtf I'm doing... grind grind grind..zzzz

Omg, I got the last comment! o/