A few players ruin div5?

2006-04-05 02:10 by term

Lets have a little debate about the current "situation" in div5. I'm refering to a few div5 players that clearly could play in other divisions. We sure have missplaced a team or two, for that we are sorry, but it will probably happend in every EQL. What were interested in talking about is mainly what to do with players that joins late.

The current "solution" is to not have rules for this, everyone may join any team the like and hopefully the ammount of div1-3 players that wanna play in div5 is managable. This is probably quite fair and sure easy for us admins to deal with but were not sure it makes div5 as funny as it should be.

One side of the coin is that anyone should be allowed to play for whatever team he/she likes to and that teams must be allowed to recruite good players to improve (compare with Real Madrid or Chelsea).

The other side is obvioulsly that div1-3 players in div5 makes theire teams better then the other div5 teams, ie boring matches and less oportunities for other div5 teams to qualify to div4.

What we need is suggestions to improve this in EQL4, preferable strict rules that are easy to understand and follow. We are not that eager to have admin debates and look at demos for every single player that joins late.

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Comments

#101 2006-04-10 23:42 by menth0l (82.181.141.XXX)

Will people pick up on sarcasm without a smiley... I WONDER

#102 2006-04-11 07:11 by sassa (213.113.96.XXX)

about your comment #69 JohnNy_cz:

There are other admins in here reading whats happening.
Im jus tnot that in, who is good enough for div4 or div5.

We all have our different opinion, we dont need to get angry because someone calls a player in your clan a faker!
Lets just discuss this like grown ups as we are.

My thought about this whole thingy?
I think that Term made a good suggestion in #25:

What about some kind of transfer rules, for example: "a late additional player may not have played in a division higher then the current-1 in any EQL before."? IE, div5 teams may only recruit from previous div4&5 players during the season, div4 teams from div3,4&5 etc.

EQL4 (after the summer, yeah we will have a break during the summer and let nqr run some custom map (?) tourneys) will be with a consideration of your suggestions, Im still going strong with 3-4 season from august->may.
So from there we will again in the first season have some kind of messy divisions, but it will all even up eventually during the seasons that comes!
Its a tight schedule so we can fit more season = for each season that goes, the divisions gets more fair.

If we get enough beginner teams i wanna extend EQL to a new division for Beginners (ppl that have played qw for 2 weeks or something)
What do you guys think about that?
If we only get 4 clans then we let them play each other 4 times and hope for close games so they can move their asses up from "beginner div" and get ready for the real action.

But its just my thoughts.. I want more suggestions of how we can prevent this or add new rules for the upcoming EQL's so stop the flaming and start the suggestion.

(johnny. all admins have equal power, no1 in the admin crew is scared of saying what they want to say. if they are, then we should reorganize the crew)

#103 2006-04-11 11:12 by menth0l (212.68.8.XXX)

A beginner division is a great idea Sassa. It should be a division pretty much "separate" from the rest of the league, just for newbies to play some fun and competitive games. You should talk to mushi about it.

#104 2006-04-11 11:25 by murdoc (213.84.248.XXX)

i think this marvel guy is "envi" or maybe "gibbs"

#105 2006-04-11 11:34 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

No way is it gibbs, I think gibbs would be way better than that, and he's not known for faking anyway.

I'm pretty sure from what people have said that it's Syke/Envi/Water - the profile fits. He's a div 3 ish standard player who ALWAYS plays in clans below his level (not massively, maybe 1 div or 2) and who changes his alias on a regular basis.

#106 2006-04-11 11:43 by knast (84.147.36.XXX)

ban him

#107 2006-04-11 11:56 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

This is my last sighting of Syke/Envi/Water:

http://fips.ninjapirates.net/screensho ts/2004-05-21_fips_vs_bs_dm2_000.jpg

He's Samen. He'd just left JW and of course, he changed alias right away ;)

#108 2006-04-11 12:16 by moris (146.102.98.XXX)

sassa: im afraid you didnt get the whole point. its not only about player additions. this is about players using fakenicks and being allowed to do so. so far it was customary to have a 'fake' nick with realnick in brackets. marvel does not have a realnick next to his fakenick.

#109 2006-04-11 12:18 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

moris: The problem with that is that if it is who I think it is, he doesn't exactly have a real nick, heheh. Maybe we should dub him UK-Faker-#1.

#110 2006-04-11 12:19 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

Heh, he even played as "def" back in SD2:

http://www.challenge-smackdow n.com/archive/season2/div_neu/oneteam.php3?cla_code=19

#111 2006-04-11 12:23 by moris (146.102.98.XXX)

lol. well in that case someone send him a specialist on schizophrenia

#112 2006-04-11 12:54 by son (81.51.164.XXX)

i think we should dub the entire div4b "Uk-faking-division" :) but honestly i think we should drop the whole marvel thing, its obvious nothing is going to happen. the admins already stated so when a much better player faked his way into another team in div4.

let's just feel sorry for real div4 clans playing there, because obviously we wont see a lot of even games there this season.

and if the admins have the balls to stick defs in div2 rather than div3 next season (they beat jmk easily in prac - former div2 clan and beat a2k consistently - top clan of div3 atm) then im pretty sure this "problem" would get taken care of rather quickly

#113 2006-04-11 12:57 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

Yeah he's faking, but he's still only high-medium div 3 at best. There's plenty of better players in that division.

#114 2006-04-11 13:20 by moris (146.102.98.XXX)

son: beat a2k consistently? :) i played 3 games vs them, we beat them on dm2 and lost dm3 and e1m2 with them having 2 standins (purity+oase). i dont think that proves your div2 point

#115 2006-04-11 14:33 by Hooraytio (212.214.218.XXX)

yeah whatever
aliasing bitches with new nicks every season dont belong in qw

#116 2006-04-11 16:10 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

http://ninjapirat es.net/horatio.jpg

Be

#117 2006-04-11 17:37 by sassa (213.113.96.XXX)

son: if they are div4 now and will win div4 eazly then they will be div3 next season, with or without "marvel" and thats the whole eql idea.

But if they improve between the seasons we can use our wildcards to move them up a div.

I really dont think "marvel" is a big problem as you guys seem to think!
yes they will win div4, so what?
let them win it and be in div3 next season.
if marvel stops playing with them then they will have a hard time in div3 ?
its just the way QW goes.

We are EQL, not nqr, we dont move teams depending on how good they are right now.
we have a short schedule so we can contain lots of seasons during a year so the div system can work.
and it is acctually working pretty good, yes we have used our wildcards (used 2 of them from eql2->3 and it seems pretty good.
Zanne/spz/marvel/ etc isnt _THAT_ big of a problem, but yeah, you can always do better.
but a restriction that a player cant join a clan if he was 2 divs higher in a previous eql or somthing.
Marvel was div2 before right?
and he is div3 now, so why shouldnt he be able to play in a div4 clan?
that makes no sense.
lots of ppl complained about SM having mm, they won div3 and are in div2 now.
It has all fallen in place.

but this are just my thoughts and not EQL's.

#118 2006-04-11 21:07 by Hooraytio (81.236.232.XXX)

hohoho

gaz is teh funneh!

#119 2006-04-11 21:08 by Hooraytio (81.236.232.XXX)

sassa: then what do u think about serox in div4?

#120 2006-04-11 22:16 by knast (84.147.20.XXX)

great admins!!!!!!!!!!
now u added div2 players (sudden death team 2 last eql) in div4 sudden death team
omg i think its really a bad league with bad admins !

#121 2006-04-11 22:26 by knast (84.147.20.XXX)

but dont care they will win div4 and? so they div3 next eql....

#122 2006-04-11 22:33 by trashie (81.235.129.XXX)

so much hate.

#123 2006-04-11 22:59 by Ningizzia (213.114.243.XXX)

Knast, the admins know what decisions to make. There's nothing wrong with the league at all. Trash played with Suddendeath 2, fine, but he is noway near a top div2 player, pretty far from. Besides, hes's most likely inactive as well. Now I don't have anything at all against Trash, just giving my opinion.

As for lower teams in general, I do really think they should stop complaining. As soon as they scout a name of a player whos been in division 2 or whatever, they seem to gather in groups and complain as much as they can. What they should do is trust the admins decision instead. The admins aint biased, I'm pretty sure of that. As for a player like marvel, whom no one has ever heard of, it's pretty much impossible to place such a player in the right division when no one knows anything about him. But regarding that issue I can tell, he's a good player, but he's nothing without his teammates, whom hold a high level as well. Defs as a team is probably div3 right now, if their ping allows it, but as with all divisions, there have to be better teams that places in the top, people don't seem to realize this.

#124 2006-04-11 23:00 by ?ke Vader (217.210.101.XXX)

Knast, we haven't had any restrictions the previous seasons and not this one either. After all this discussion about fakers and good players in worse divisions I am (dunno about the others) positive for a major change in this policy - next season. We can't enforce new rules in the middle of a season when other clans have already been benefiting from the rules that are atm.

#125 2006-04-11 23:23 by telly (84.12.180.XXX)

What about Chosen in div4? You beat dybbuk as badly or worse than mor did but no one complained, instead it was all ggs. I really don't understand how like losing to a team somehow becomes 'unfair' just because one of their players used to be in a higher division team.

Like gaz says as well syke has mostly been averageish in the past. No one would care about him playing for defs, if there wasn't all this paranoia because they don't recognise his nickname and assume hes someone from div1.

#126 2006-04-12 00:02 by gore (81.179.72.XXX)

it's not syke, zomg drama!

#127 2006-04-12 00:11 by Hooraytio (81.236.232.XXX)

chosen is in div4 cuz we didnt qualify for div3 in the end of eql2

and we have not added any players of div2-3 standard, we have used the ones we have and become a little better...

#128 2006-04-12 00:20 by knast (84.147.20.XXX)

You should stop the division thing then there is no reason for fakenicking.
When u will do the div-system, do it, but do it right!

#129 2006-04-12 01:15 by soma (134.130.50.XXX)

As I mentioned earlier, I don't really give a fuck if a clan dominates a division, because the problem will take care of itself, i.e. the clan goes up a division after the season. What I'm seriously uncomfortable with is people fakenicking so they can play in lower divs "in peace" and thus also giving the admins the wrong idea about the strength of the clan.

Admins: Please do me a huge favour and ignore everything knast says.

#130 2006-04-12 08:54 by knast (84.147.36.XXX)

i totally agree with myself (8h later)

#131 2006-04-12 09:05 by knast (81.169.147.XXX)

yesterday i had a nice idea, maybe the clans should get virtual money after they won one game.
e.g.: a clan of div4 will get 50, a div1 clan 200.
a player addition costs always 500.
and of the end of the seasion u will get 1eql point for 300.
Maybe u can improve it, its just an idea:)

#132 2006-04-12 09:38 by menth0l (212.68.8.XXX)

what the fuck knast :D

#133 2006-04-12 09:51 by Tuna (84.191.25.XXX)

@telly: well it seems that 'we just suck' (tm). so we have given up complaining. we expect to get raped 5 more times and play next season in div5.. same thing there then and in 2007 were going to play solitaire or quake3 :/

#134 2006-04-12 10:16 by knast (84.147.13.XXX)

well in the last eql the div4 was not so strong, we pld many prac games against div4 and in the most cases

#135 2006-04-12 10:30 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

Seems Marvel isn't Syke, it is in fact an old school player who really hasn't played much TDM and who just changed his name at some point in the distant past.

:)

#136 2006-04-12 12:16 by Link (84.209.104.XXX)

Hello kidz, if you allow more maps, then underdog clans will think it is fun to play, coz they will prolly win a map :>

But hell no, lets keep it tb3 4ever and have these problems every season.

You need to have the SAME promotion system between divisions for SEVERAL seasons. Then in the end it will even out (I tried to tell NQR this in NQR3 - if they listened, no problems now).

So either you do that, or you tell map whiners to STFU and let ppl play whatever map they want.

Peace

#137 2006-04-12 12:27 by knast (81.169.147.XXX)

thats true

#138 2006-04-12 12:34 by serox (160.79.55.XXX)

Marvel reminds me of Corax from Old Uk clan Redux. Plays exactly the same as him on every map.

He also has the same funny connection as him.

He is also kinda quiet and wouldnt post on any forum and doesnt use Irc much.

He is better than he is playing now. In the games i saw of him he was toying with the enemy and letting his team get silly frags. He was playing defensive and letting his team have fun.

Just like Corax would do.

Tried to speak to him last night to say HI and he denied it. I would know of any UK players at this skill for sure. I think he had a brother who plays QW also. Check them specs he might be about.

#139 2006-04-12 13:08 by knast (81.169.147.XXX)

Redux was div1 right?

#140 2006-04-12 13:10 by Hooraytio (81.236.232.XXX)

whatever

#141 2006-04-12 13:15 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

Whois marvel on IRC, his name is Robert. Corax's name is Andy.

Is anyone really THAT dedicated to faking that they'd use a fake real name? :P

#142 2006-04-12 13:28 by Hooraytio (81.236.232.XXX)

offc they do

#143 2006-04-12 14:12 by serox (160.79.55.XXX)

knast. yes we was div1.
he also used nick Kore
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ser/screenshot s/re_n3_dm2_hehe.jpg

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ser/sc reenshots/redux_tot_dm3_too_easy.jpg

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ser/screen shots/redux_tvs_e1m2_nqr.jpg

im 99% sure it is him.

#144 2006-04-12 15:06 by knast (81.169.147.XXX)

hm he is always "weak" in e1m2

#145 2006-04-12 15:48 by serox (160.79.55.XXX)

we always were.

dm2 he loved tele.
dm3 ra/ring.

defensive. but can do quad if needed. hes not frag hungry at all.

#146 2006-04-12 16:51 by soma (134.130.50.XXX)

Isn't corax wandii's older brother?

#147 2006-04-12 17:05 by gaz (195.72.182.XXX)

Yep, serox was also pretty sure that marvel=wandii last night. He seems to have changed his mind :P

#148 2006-04-12 17:36 by willg (217.209.96.XXX)

Im not marvel. Just so you know. K?

I think doser is marvel. Suddenly disapears from all channels, the same time as this marvel guy appeard from nowhere.

#149 2006-04-12 20:18 by knast (84.147.20.XXX)

well i have the feeling :let them discuss whatever they want we will go our own way.
Many guys posted some nice ideas but u just ignored it.
But then i cant understand why u posted this news.
Its like an election in Kuba.

#150 2006-04-12 21:54 by ?ke Vader (217.210.101.XXX)

We've read it, what else do you want us to do?

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